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Date: September 28, 2024 at 15:17:31
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on Immigra

URL: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on Immigration


look who finally made it to the border, and talking tough about securing
our border too! does this flip flop mean she realized her previous position
was wrong? or is she just saying what the voters want to hear?


Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on
Immigration

Vowing to carry on President Biden’s crackdown on asylum and to impose
order on the southern border, the vice president demonstrated how much
the politics of immigration have changed.

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Nicholas NehamasHamed AleazizReid J. Epstein
By Nicholas NehamasHamed Aleaziz and Reid J. Epstein

Nicholas Nehamas reported from Douglas, Ariz., and Hamed Aleaziz and
Reid J. Epstein from Washington.

Published Sept. 27, 2024
Updated Sept. 28, 2024, 2:40 p.m. ET

On her first trip to the southern border as the Democratic presidential
nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris delivered one of her party’s
toughest speeches on immigration and border policy in a generation. Even
as she did, she tried to paint former President Donald J. Trump as a
feckless chaos agent without the ability to deliver the hard-line results he
has promised.

Ms. Harris vowed to carry on President Biden’s crackdown on asylum and
to impose order on the southern border, demonstrating how much the
politics of immigration have shifted for Democrats. Just one presidential
cycle ago, Ms. Harris and most other candidates in the party’s primary
race had promised to decriminalize illegal border crossings.

Ms. Harris’s remarks on Friday in the border town of Douglas, Ariz., laid
out a vision that makes clear that her party — and the nation — continue to
back away from the long-held American promise of protection to
desperate people fleeing poverty and violence abroad no matter how they
enter the United States.

“The United States is a sovereign nation, and I believe we have a duty to
set rules at our border and to enforce them,” Ms. Harris said. “I take that
responsibility very seriously.”
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In political terms, her visit to Arizona — a critical battleground state where
she narrowly trails Mr. Trump in polls — represented an attempt to
toughen her image on immigration, an issue on which surveys show that
many voters favor the former president.

On Friday, she spoke at a community college on a stage adorned with
signs that read “Border Security and Stability.” Before her speech, she
visited U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s port of entry in Douglas,
walking along a section of border wall that the Obama administration built
in 2012. Border agents also briefed her on efforts to stop fentanyl
smuggling.

Ms. Harris had visited the border only once before as vice president, in
2021.

On this trip, she made clear that she would continue to embrace Mr.
Biden’s executive order in June to ban asylum for those who cross
illegally, regardless of what happens with a bipartisan immigration bill that
she has largely focused on in previous speeches. The bill included similar
restrictions on asylum, but it has remained stalled in Congress. Mr. Trump
persuaded Republicans in the Senate to scuttle the bill this year, a point
Ms. Harris often makes on the campaign trail, accusing him of prioritizing
politics over good policy.

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In Douglas, Ms. Harris hammered Mr. Trump in unusually harsh terms, not
just on the border bill but also for what she called his failure to address
immigration as president.

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“He did not solve the shortage of immigration judges,” she said. “He did
not solve the shortage of border agents. He did not create lawful
pathways into our nation. He did nothing to address an outdated asylum
system.”
And she condemned the policies he did embrace, saying that his family
separation policy “ripped toddlers out of their mothers’ arms” and “put
children in cages.”

Still, Ms. Harris also used her visit to emphasize a need for a
comprehensive immigration overhaul. Throughout the campaign, she has
tried to strike a balance between enforcement and upholding the nation’s
history of welcoming immigrants.

“We must reform our immigration system to ensure that it works in an
orderly way, that it is humane and that it makes our country stronger,” she
said in Douglas as she called for legal pathways for citizenship for
undocumented immigrants living in the United States, including
farmworkers and the group of Americans known as Dreamers, who were
brought to the country illegally as children.

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Ms. Harris’s trip to the border underscored how much the situation has
changed there, as a decrease in crossings made her visit politically
possible. The number of border arrests peaked in December, when around
250,000 apprehensions were made. Since June, when Mr. Biden issued
his order, the administration has seen some of the lowest arrest figures of
the last few years. In July, 56,000 arrests were made. In August, it was
more than 58,000, and September appears on track for similar figures.


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 15:25:10
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...


isn't that what you wanted? you should be happy, not disparaging...


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 16:00:21
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...


when someone flip flops as much as she does it will always be a
question if she finally understands the issue or is just saying things
for votes


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Date: September 30, 2024 at 00:47:53
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...

URL: https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/vance-criticized-an-infrastructure-law-as-a-19802960.php


Vance criticized an infrastructure law as a candidate then embraced it as a senator
By BRIAN SLODYSKO, Associated Press Sep 29, 2024

WASHINGTON (AP) — As he campaigned for the Senate two years ago, JD Vance harshly criticized a bipartisan 2021 law to invest more than $1 trillion in America’s crumbling infrastructure, calling it a “huge mistake” shaped by Democrats who want to spend big taxpayer dollars on “really crazy stuff.”

That hasn’t stopped the first-term Ohio senator and Republican vice-presidential nominee from seeking more than $200 million in federal money made available through the law for projects across his state, according to records reviewed by The Associated Press.

Vance is hardly alone among Republicans who have condemned spending enacted under Democratic President Joe Biden, only to later reap the benefit when government funds flow to popular projects back home. In this case, he also was criticizing the achievement of one of the bill’s authors — former Sen. Rob Portman, the Ohio Republican he succeeded.

“I believe you should campaign how you govern so that you are consistent in your message and voters know what they are going to get,” said Ohio state Sen. Matt Dolan, one of Vance's 2022 Republican primary rivals, who was the only GOP candidate to support the bill.

Parker Magid, a spokesperson for Vance said, “Senators are elected by their constituents to fight for them in Washington, regardless of the party in charge. The fact is that this bill was a wish list of destructive Biden-Harris policy proposals and over 1,000 pages long, but as his constituents expect of him, Senator Vance successfully advocated for full and fair consideration of legitimate expenditures on Ohio projects by the federal government.”

To the man Vance defeated in the general election, former Democratic congressman Tim Ryan, Vance's pivot “fits the general pattern of him being two-faced on just about everything.”

"Look at the Trump stuff," Ryan said. “He was ‘America’s Hitler'" in Vance's estimation, ”then when it didn’t benefit him anymore to have that view, he changed it.”

Trump had vowed to pass an infrastructure bill when he was president, but did not offer a plan, and “Infrastructure Week” became something of a punch line.

That changed after Biden became president. A bipartisan group of senators including Portman and Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, then a Democrat, hashed out a roughly $1 trillion package that passed with 19 Republicans joining Democrats.

Vance criticized the bill as a boondoggle tainted by Democrats’ preoccupation with racial justice.

“I’m reading through this new infrastructure bill, and it includes all these ridiculous references to things called transportation equity, which is basically just importing critical race theory into our nation’s infrastructure programs,” Vance tweeted in August 2021. “It’s totally ridiculous and it’s obvious that Republicans have been had in supporting this bill.”

During a September 2021 interview with CBS News, Vance said that the “mistake that Republicans have recently made on bipartisanship is that we gave Democrats a huge win.”

“We do have infrastructure problems, but I don’t think this bill actually spends the money on the things that we need,” he said of the legislation, which Trump opposed.

Portman, who cited “partisan gridlock” as a reason he retired from the Senate, was unavailable for comment.

After taking office in January 2023, Vance appears to have warmed to the legislation his predecessor helped write — though not publicly.

In 10 letters addressed to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg that were sent between 2023 and 2024, Vance requested more than $213 million made available through the law for Ohio projects, according to copies of his correspondence obtained by the AP. At least four of those projects were approved and are slated to get about $130 million, federal records show.

Toledo received nearly $20 million to revitalize a majority Black area that was isolated from the city’s downtown when Interstate 75 was built in the 1960s. Toledo officials described the planning decision behind the location of the freeway as “discriminatory” in their federal application for the funding.

“These once-thriving communities now suffer from some of the city’s highest rates of poverty, unemployment, and blight," the application states. “Historically, this majority-Black area has been disproportionately impacted by harmful transportation policy decisions.” The application said those policies “caused displacement from which the area has never fully recovered.”

Vance had previously mocked a journalist who asked Buttigieg about bias that went into decades-old planning decisions. “Nothing in our country works,” he tweeted in November 2021. “And our reporters ask about the racism of our roads?”

As a senator he wrote that the project in Toledo had potentially “far-reaching” benefits, though he did include a disclaimer that he opposed “the Biden Administration’s emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion over outcomes of meaningful infrastructure improvements."

In another instance, Vance sought $29 million for low or no emissions buses. Vance has repeatedly railed against Democratic efforts to reduce emissions. In a recent opinion article in The Wall Street Journal, he singled out Vice President Kamala Harris and the Biden administration's support for zero-emission efforts, arguing that they were “stifling investment in the coal, natural gas, and nuclear plants that Americans rely on.”

Dolan, Vance's 2022 primary rival, said he's glad the senator seems to have changed his mind about the bill.


“The talking points during a campaign sometimes don't match the responsibility of governing," Dolan said. “I think the two should be indistinguishable. That's what it means to be a public servant."

He said if lawmakers were to "reject those dollars for political reasons, Ohio would suffer.”


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 19:02:09
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...


flip flop?

How about Trump...he flip flopped to a whole new party
and changed everything he used to claim to believe.

I'm sorry, it's hard to take that claim serious.

People change their views all the time with age and
experience, and the world situation.

I know I have over the years. Have you? Or are you
stuck in 1980 and all your views are the same? Or has
watching history unfold and having real life
experiences changed how you may look at things?


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 17:05:40
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...


Projecting again. It's fun ain't it? Watching Trump say Hillary this or Biden
that and then when it all comes out in the wash it turns out that's what he
was doing. Over and over. And his adoring fans think it's a way of life..

Good luck with that OT.


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 16:11:57
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...




OMG... and the alternative is the flipflopper in chief,
famous for taking five different positions on one issue
in five different stops in one day.

Thanks for the giggle.


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Date: September 28, 2024 at 16:23:41
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris, at the Border, Shows Democrats’ Hard-Line Evolution on...


tee-hee...


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