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Date: September 16, 2024 at 10:23:47
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
URL: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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apparently dems are happy for harris to claim to be a moderate for
election purposes with confidence she isn’t being honest and will still be
extreme left
Democrats bet Harris will move left as president
BY ALEXANDER BOLTON - 09/16/24 6:00 AM ET
Democratic lawmakers are giving Vice President Harris a pass on her
policy flip-flops and efforts to tack toward the political center, confident
she’s still a progressive at heart and will fight hard to achieve their goals
on tax policy, climate change and other priorities.
Even the Senate’s most liberal Democrats say they aren’t worried about
Harris backing away from her previous support for “Medicare for All” or a
fracking ban because they believe she will push hard to rein in insurance
and pharmaceutical companies or to crack down on fossil fuel
consumption.
“I’m from Massachusetts, she’s from California. On climate, on abortion,
on racial, LGBTQ issues, we are absolutely in agreement on her agenda,”
said Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), a leading Senate progressive who has co-
sponsored Medicare for All, the Green New Deal and other ambitious
liberal policy goals.
“That’s why Elizabeth Warren and I are so passionately campaigning for
her and supporting her,” he said, referring to fellow Massachusetts Sen.
Elizabeth Warren (D.), who ran against Harris in the 2020 Democratic
presidential primary.
With the general election only 50 days away, leading progressives on
Capitol Hill are too alarmed by the prospect of a second Trump term to
complain about Harris’s reinvention as a centrist. They expect she’ll back
them up in policy fights if elected president.
Harris at various points in her short campaign has moved toward the
center as Republicans have attacked her as a liberal and as polls suggest
Trump is seen as the less ideologically extreme candidate.
Harris said she felt “very strongly” about Medicare for All in 2019 as she
positioned herself for a presidential run and even said she would eliminate
private insurance plans before quickly dropping that stance.
At her debate with Trump, Harris declared she does “absolutely support”
private health care options and did so during her time as vice president.
Harris also says she would sign into law the bipartisan border security
deal negotiated earlier this year by Senate Democrats and Republicans,
even though it called for spending money to complete construction of the
southern border wall. Her campaign has also come under scrutiny for
showcasing Trump’s border wall in one of its ads.
Harris released a tax proposal that moves to the center from what
President Biden proposed.
The architect of the Senate’s Medicare for All bill, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-
Vt.), however, said he doesn’t have a problem with her policy shifts and
said he still views her as a progressive.
Asked during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” whether Harris had
abandoned her progressive ideals, Sanders said she is saying what she
needs to say to beat Trump.
“No, I don’t think she’s abandoning her ideals. I think she’s tried to be
pragmatic and doing what she thinks is right in order to win the election,”
he said.
Some Republicans accuse Sanders of saying the quiet part out loud with
those statements.
They argue Harris is more to the left than her recent public statements
suggest, and moderators at last week’s debate between Trump and Harris
should have pressed her more on the positions she took in the 2020
presidential campaign, when she was competing with Sanders and
Warren.
The Harris campaign did not respond to several requests for comment.
Democrats who spoke with The Hill largely echoed Sanders’s comments,
saying they are happy for Harris to say what she needs to say to win. In
the end, they think if she is elected, she will be a progressive.
Markey said he believes Harris will try to back efforts to reduce health
care costs through subsidies and regulation, but he’s not looking for any
specific pledges from Harris or explanation about why she backtracked
from Medicare for All.
He and other liberal leaders are more worried about the likelihood that
Trump would make another attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act to
grumble about Harris’s attempts to frame herself as a moderate in this
year’s general election.
“The first goal right now has to be, right now, to protect the Affordable
Care Act,” he said of former President Obama’s signature achievement.
He said Harris would be a “big proponent of ensuring of an expansion of
health care in our country” and that he “absolutely” considers Harris a
progressive leader.
Democrats who want to crack down on the consumption of fossil fuels
aren’t worried about Harris abandoning her support for a fracking ban.
They believe she’s open to supporting bigger investments in clean energy
and even taxing carbon pollution.
“I want her to be a pragmatist and I want her to win. Nothing’s more
important for the climate than winning” the presidential election, said
Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), who’s not worried about Harris’s decision to
now support some fracking.
“She needs to convey that she’s going to take aggressive climate action
but she also needs to be cognizant that there are a lot of people who rely
on the current system and we just have to be practical about it,” he said.
Schatz said the election of Harris will in no way slow the progress made
during the Biden administration in shifting to a green-energy economy.
“I don’t have any doubt that Kamala Harris would be a great president for
climate action but I don’t think we should be asking her to say certain
magic words and I certainly don’t think we should be demanding that she
take unpopular positions in key states,” he added.
Democratic strategists warn that Harris would have hurt her chances of
winning Pennsylvania had she stuck to her support for a fracking ban.
Progressive lawmakers have expressed some disappointment that Harris
broke with Biden’s tax proposal, which he included in his fiscal 2025
budget proposal, to raise the capital gains tax rate for top earners to 44.6
percent.
Harris, instead, has proposed increasing the long-term capital gains rate
for the top tax bracket from 23 percent to 28 percent — well below
Biden’s goal.
“It’s not how I would have done it but she’s moving in the right direction.
While Donald Trump and the Republicans are trying to lower the capital
gains tax rate, she’s trying to increase it and that’s very much the right
direction,” said Warren.
Some progressives, however, are disappointed the Harris campaign thinks
she needs to move to the center to be more competitive against Trump.
They think she would win more votes by advocating for bigger and bolder
reforms.
“What’s interesting about Harris to my view is I think the Harris’s
campaign assessment that they will benefit by moving to the center or to
the right on a variety of issues by being less bold and more centrist. That
is a strategic assumption that I think is probably mistaken,” said Bob
Borosage, a progressive activist and co-director of Campaign for
America’s Future.
“In a country where 70 percent wants a real change and thinks we’re on
the wrong track, the more you make yourself look like somebody who’s
doing modest reforms as opposed to somebody who wants dramatic
change, the more you’re endangering or weakening your position
electorally,” he argued.
“It’s a striking calculation. It’s worrisome in the sense that it might be
electorally mistaken,” Borosage added.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 11:34:24
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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You seem to be forgetting that it doesn't matter.. we'd vote for a rock rather
than Trump. We'd vote for a pile of ʻūhā rather than vote for Trump. Seriously
OT, we'd vote for just about anything.. a doorknob.. rather than your boy.
And besides, when have you heard an honest word uttered by your guy?
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 14:48:06
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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you’d vote for a rock rather than anyone not a democrat. you’d vote for a
pile of ʻūhā rather than vote for anyone not a democrat
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 15:41:35
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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OT, at this point the GOP is EVIL.
Do you see that, in all caps?
Get it through your head, you're being used to DESTROY LIFE ON EARTH.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 16:38:02
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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which is why i corrected your words to reflect your views
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 19:41:13
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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No, that isn't what I said. I did not say Dems or nothing, I said no to anyone
that denies climate issues. PERIOD.
You really seem to be challenged here bro. Always trying to twist, to justify.
You read words and translate them into your own chosen terms. When it is
not what is said.
The simple fact is the GOP has spit in the face of the creator. In the face of
God. In the face of humanity. Literally, OT, you support a group of people
that hate us. Literally, they hate women, hate children, sheesh they hate
babies as soon as they are born. They do nothing to further mankind.
Nothing.
I do not 'support' the Dems or nothing, it is just that they are the only party
that cares about humanity. The only party that cares about individual rights.
The only party that cares about religious rights. Your boy, and those that
follow him behave like animals. Really man, they are no better than dogs.
And you run with them. You lie with them. You promote them. You spread
their lies.
I said the GOP is evil. Can you say it is not?
How is banning books not evil? How is treating women like slaves not? How
is all the bullshit Trump guys are going on about Haitians not?
Really OT, I could fill pages and pages with the evil crap the GOP is pulling
right now. And equally the positive force the Dems have embraced.. if you
can't see that then why should we even talk to you?
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:22:18
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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“No, that isn't what I said. I did not say Dems or nothing”
really?
“I do not 'support' the Dems or nothing, it is just that they are the only
party that cares about humanity. “
also you keep saying “I said the GOP is evil” and you’ve made clear your
feelings about voting for 3rd party candidates
you own words show you wouldn’t vote for anyone not a democrat and you
jumped in this thread to say it didn’t matter what kamala says. you talk in
circles but you express a lot of hate and anger.
get help dude, life is short. don’t waste it in a ball of confused hate and
anger
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:25:49
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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Yore projecting again, bro.
As they say.. get help. Do you need me to call someone for you?
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 10:29:54
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Democrats bet Harris will move left as president |
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not if she wants to be re-elected she won't, even if she could. just an opinion.
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