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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I wish my children would stop being killed by Israel w/American bombs
URL: US-made munitions used in deadly strike on Rafah tent camp, CNN analysis shows
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World Africa Americas Asia Australia China Europe India Middle East United Kingdom Watch Listen Live TV Sign in World / Middle East US-made munitions used in deadly strike on Rafah tent camp, CNN analysis shows By Allegra Goodwin, Avery Schmitz and Kathleen Magramo, CNN 5 minute read Updated 10:07 AM EDT, Wed May 29, 2024 Fire rages following an Israeli strike in an area designated for displaced Palestinians in Rafah on May 26, 2024. Fire rages following an Israeli strike in an area designated for displaced Palestinians in Rafah on May 26, 2024. Reuters TV/Reuters CNN — Munitions made in the United States were used in the deadly Israeli strike on a displacement camp in Rafah on Sunday, a CNN analysis of video from the scene and a review by explosive weapons experts has found. At least 45 people were killed and more than 200 others injured after a fire broke out following the Israeli military’s strike on the outskirts of Gaza’s southernmost city, most of them women and children, according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Palestinian medics. Footage obtained by CNN showed swathes of the camp in Rafah in flames, with scores of men, women and children frantically trying to find cover from the nighttime assault. Burned bodies, including those of children, could be seen being pulled by rescuers from the wreckage. Israel’s escalating assault in Rafah – where some 1.3 million Palestinians were taking shelter before Israel began its operation there – has drawn swift international condemnation, with United Nations agencies, aid groups and multiple governments calling on Israel to immediately halt its offensive. Israeli tanks were seen advancing further into Rafah on Tuesday for the first time in Israel’s seven-month war against Hamas, signaling a new phase Israel pressing on with its controversial and destructive offensive. In this image which CNN geolocated to the scene of Sunday's strike in Rafah, four explosive weapons experts identified the tail of a US-made GBU-39 small diameter bomb (SDB). In this image which CNN geolocated to the scene of Sunday's strike in Rafah, four explosive weapons experts identified the tail of a US-made GBU-39 small diameter bomb (SDB). Alam Sadeq At least 45 people were killed in the strike, sparking global outrage. At least 45 people were killed in the strike, sparking global outrage. Alam Sadeq However, US President Joe Biden is not altering his policy towards Israel, suggesting the deadly Rafah strike had not yet crossed a red line that would force changes in American support, despite him saying in a CNN interview earlier this month he wouldn’t allow certain US weapons to be used in a major offensive in Rafah. CNN geolocated videos showing tents in flames in the aftermath of the strike on the camp for internally displaced people known as “Kuwait Peace Camp 1.” In video shared on social media, which CNN geolocated to the same scene by matching details including the camp’s entrance sign and the tiles on the ground, the tail of a US-made GBU-39 small diameter bomb (SDB) is visible, according to four explosive weapons experts who reviewed the video for CNN. The GBU-39, which is manufactured by Boeing, is a high-precision munition “designed to attack strategically important point targets,” and result in low collateral damage, explosive weapons expert Chris Cobb-Smith told CNN Tuesday. However, “using any munition, even of this size, will always incur risks in a densely populated area,” said Cobb-Smith, who is also a former British Army artillery officer. Trevor Ball, a former US Army senior explosive ordnance disposal team member who also identified the fragment as being from a GBU-39, explained to CNN how he drew his conclusion. Palestinians are gathering at the site of an Israeli strike on a camp for internally displaced people in Rafah, on May 27, 2024, amid ongoing battles between Israel and the Palestinian Hamas militant group. RELATED ARTICLE White House says attack at Rafah camp did not cross Biden’s red line over supporting Israel “The warhead portion [of the munition] is distinct, and the guidance and wing section is extremely unique compared to other munitions. Guidance and wing sections of munitions are often the remnants left over even after a munition detonates. I saw the tail actuation section and instantly knew it was one of the SDB/GBU-39 variants.” Ball also concluded that while there is a variant of the GBU-39 known as the Focused Lethality Munition (FLM) which has a larger explosive payload but is designed to cause even less collateral damage, this was not the variant used in this case. “The FLM has a carbon fiber composite warhead body and is filled with tungsten ground into a powder. Photos of FLM testing have shown objects in the test coated in tungsten dust, which is not present [in video from the scene],” he told CNN. Serial numbers on the remnants of the munitions also matched those for a manufacturer of GBU-39 parts based in California – pointing to more evidence the bombs were made in the US. Two additional explosive weapons experts – Richard Weir, senior crisis and conflict researcher at Human Rights Watch, and Chris Lincoln-Jones, a former British Army artillery officer and weapons and targeting expert – identified the fragment as being part of a US-manufactured GBU-39 when reviewing the video for CNN, though they were unable to comment on the variant used. Asked for comment on the munitions used in the Rafah strike at Tuesday’s briefing, Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters: “I do not know what type of munition was used in that airstrike. I’d have to refer you to the Israelis to speak to that.” CNN has also reached out to the US National Security Council. Main weapons supplier The US has long been the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, according to data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), and that support has continued despite the growing political pressure on the Biden administration over the Gaza offensive. Last month, Biden signed a foreign aid bill that included $26 billion for the Israel-Hamas conflict — including $15 billion in Israeli military aid, $9 billion in humanitarian aid for Gaza and $2.4 billion for regional US military operations. CNN’s identification of the munition is consistent with a claim made by IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari in a briefing about the tragedy on Tuesday. Hagari told reporters the strike – which he said targeted senior Hamas commanders – used two munitions with small warheads containing 17 kilos of explosives, adding these bombs were “the smallest munitions that our jets could use.” The traditional GBU-39 warhead has an explosive payload of 17 kilos. Hagari said the deadly fire which occurred following the strike was not caused solely by weapons used by the Israeli military. “Our munitions alone could not have ignited a fire of this size,” Hagari said, adding the IDF was investigating “what may have caused such a large fire to ignite.” He added that Israel is looking into whether the strike was “unintentionally set off possible stored weapons in a nearby compound.” Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the deadly airstrike in Rafah was a “tragic error,” but said Israel has vowed to press on with its operation despite international outrage and a US warning not to proceed. |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: So, then
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Akira - what is YOUR solution to this problem in this area of the world where unrest/wars/conflicts have been ongoing since at least the late 1800s?? Posting article after article extolling the evils - instead of doing that - how do YOU propose to end the conflicts??? |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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best guess...she would like everyone on the board to elect her queen, buy tickets to the middle east and pull the guns and bombs from their hands ourselves and finally end their thousand years of war? Are we carpooling? Is she coming too? Or is she going to general the troops from her keyboard? Certainly Netanyahu, Hamas and the world is hanging on her every suggestion and twitter feed news posts. They ask, "What does Akira think?" If only we would all agree with her thousands of compulsive and myopic posts on this, the world would find peace at last. The leaders will fall right in line and behave. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then...Are we carpooling? ROAD TRIP!!
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Can I bring my dog? (westie mix) I love middle eastern food. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then...Are we carpooling? ROAD TRIP!!
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Sure, we'll throw a crate on top of the car Romney-style lolol. Why not! I like dogs. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then...Are we carpooling? ROAD TRIP!!
| and they smell so fresh after a stiff breeze cleansing... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then...Are we carpooling? ROAD TRIP!!
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Well, heck...We have a service dog, she can drive the 2nd car of dogs. Just pray a squirrel doesn't cross the road. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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I want my tax dollars and my country to stop supporting terrorist states, like Israel. It's immoral and criminal to continue supplying Israel with any weapons or aid at this point. We sanction other countries for far less. We are literally supporting a war criminal and his genocide. It's deeply disturbing that so few people here are bothered by that. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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that has been said over and over and yet they keep asking. it is disturbing that so many here aren’t bothered at all by the killing of so many civilians with us made and funded weapons |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: And what about
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all the weapons that the us has supplied to Ukraine and other countries? "The US has been the biggest arms supplier to Ukraine. Between February 2022 and the end of June 2024, it delivered or committed weapons and equipment worth $57bn (£43bn), according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German research organization." But that's ok according to OT and akira - it's just Israel that they are concerned about. Unfortunately, OT and akira, for your fantasies of oversimplification to come true the entire concept of war would have to be eliminated throughout the entire world. Because if a country has the will, they will find a way to get weapons of war and as long as greed - especially corporate greed- dictates our world, this will be ongoing. So, OT and akira - what OTHER workable solutions do the two of you have besides stop selling weapons to Israel? and btw - in order for our gvt to stop selling weapons to other countries, you will have to tackle all the PACs and lobbyists for the corporation that produce these weapons who have gvt officials in their back pockets. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: And what about
URL: US says Israel may have breached international law with American weapons in Gaza
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the difference is simple, ukraine isn’t using the weapons in violation of international law by slaughtering women and children or by denying aid to people. there is a huge difference between the war in ukraine and the genocide in gaza there are concerns about ukraine getting long range weapons to strike back at russia, something no world leader in the atomic age has been wreckless enough to allow |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Still not coming up with
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a solution to actually effectively dealing with the problem - you have to stop corporate greed (you know all those corporations actually MAKING all those weapons) and then you have to get rid of the PACs and lobbyist who have all the politicians in their front pockets and are giving the politicians the $$ to vote to give weapons to other countries. What is your solution/answer to the entire problem, not just the end result? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Still not coming up with
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by the way akira frequently talks about the enormous influence of aipac which is ensures our politicians are friendly to israel and keep the weapons flowing |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Still not coming up with
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frankly i think demanding a solution to the mid east situation stupid. that is a very complicated situation. what isn’t complicated is the fact that israel is using the weapons we pay for to kill innocent civilians and it is time for that killing to stop. and really the resistance for calls to demand israel stop slaughtering women and children make no sense. could you explain that? |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Still not coming up with
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so, since you are not answering my question with a viable solution - only answering a question with a question or parroting what you have already posted 58 times, why don't you send the gvt of Israel and Palestine an email or two to tell them to do a take on the Nancy Regan saying - 'Just Say No' and turn it into 'Just Stop'. I am certain both sides will listen to your ideas and immediately stop. Because certainly if Israel and Palestine receives thousands of emails from all over the world telling them to stop, that they will just pause and stop. Because of course, it's just that simple - right? Just that simple to stop hostilities that have been ongoing for so long (since at least 1947)- and that others have tried to unsuccessfully broker a truce or peace(including the 1979 Camp David Accords, the Oslo Accords of the 1990s, and the 2020 Abraham Accords), according to you, if enough people tell them to stop, they will.....?????? |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Still not coming up with
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you think i should be providing a viable solution to middle east peace? that’s a bit disingenuous. look the bottom line is the us supports israel financially and with the of weapons they use to kill civilians so we should have the power to say stop this mass killing of civilians in gaza or the flow will stop. no one can wave a magic wand and create a sudden peace in the middle east but in response last year’s terrorist attack israel has killed more than 40,000 people, most of them woman and children along with doctors, journalists and un aid workers. the idf is blocking aid, starving the people of gaza and bombing refugee camps. what israel is doing violates international law which means it also violates us law that we keep providing weapons to a regime committing genocide. it would quite literally be what us law already says that we should tell israel to immediately stop killing civilians in gaza for the flow stops why do you oppose this? |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: But you ARE
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complaining about the situation and posting all kinds of - thus I was always taught that if you are presenting a problem then at the same time present a viable and workable solution. Hence, typing 'stop killing' and 'tell the us gvt to stop sending weapons' is an oversimplification of the end result and nothing as to how to GET to that solution. Continuing to post about is wanting to hear yourself express outrage without any concrete solutions. Imo, Continuing to do so is whining. You want results - then post viable and workable ways to get them |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: But you ARE
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oh well, we had an adult conversation for a minute. now pointing out it is wrong for israel to commit genocide is labeled as whining, sigh. again it is against us law to provide weapons to a nation using our weapons to break international laws by slaughtering women and children. it is also morally wrong to support this genocide. it is time we demand israel stop slaughtering civilians |
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From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: I see
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That the US government and Israel are clamoring to hear your demands. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Still not coming up with
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you know the only left is to tell you to shove it where the sun don't shine.. broken record, broken man, no answers, just a lot of whine. and you think you are free? what a joke. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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"that has been said over and over and yet they keep asking.." I know, lol, I was thinking the same |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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still surprising the complete lack of concern they show about israel killing so many civilians with us made and funded weapons. the justification for israel gunning down the unarmed american woman a few days ago was so damn odd. years ago i thought there were many progressives here but apparently not |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
| stop lying...everyone here is disturbed by the killing of civilians... |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
| well you sure as hell have an odd way of showing it |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
URL: http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/international/messages/55461.html
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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The munitions delivered today were approved 6 years ago. Biden put off sending most of them until the war. It's not just the war criminal and his besties causing trouble, it's the system and an adversary that is dangerous by it's existence. Think of some way that will encompass more issues than bombs. That is just one tool against a comprehensive attack. |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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She‘s like Trump and immigration, she doesn’t want a solution, because then she’d have nothing to bitch about. Seriously, all she’ll say is Biden should kill himself (her words) because he hasn’t lived up to her expectations. She’ll also tell us about how famous she is, how her words change lives and are appreciating around the world.. but solutions? Nah, she doesn’t have any of those.. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So, then
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Poor dear...she's clearly gobsmacked as to how Mr. Bopp hasn't fallen at her feet in acknowledgement of her superior intelligence and truthiness, holding her in highest esteem over and above everyone else here at EB... ...because that's how she sees herself... ;( |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: So vote for *rump who will nuke Gaza. No more problem.
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That's your message, right? |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: brilliant retort..
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mitra interprets criticism of a US policy supplying weapons to a terrorist state for the purpose of engaging campaign of genocide as support for Donald Trump. That's not just black and white thinking bopp, it's empty-headed, illogical and reactive up the yinyang. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: So it was an accident that you copied much of my headline ??
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So it was an accident that you copied much of my headline denouncing the Trump campaign using the death of a child as a poster and twisted it for your purpose? Ohhh. My bad. You used the death of another child for *your* purpose. Nothing to do with Harris. Right. Got it. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: brilliant retort..
| for some people the world is a a democrat vs republican world |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: brilliant retort..
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Not me. It's an authoritarian/dictator vs democratic republic world. |
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From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: brilliant retort..
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OMG akira...lololol...WTF do you mean by this, to Bopp? Are you actually *complaining to Ryan* about how mitra thinks and is posting??? What *exactly* do you expect him to do??? Nevermind...lol...I know you claim not to read my posts, I never expect you to respond...and I already know the answer to my question anyway...lol... |
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