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Date: September 10, 2024 at 11:53:09
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
URL: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-10/ty-article/u-s-calls-for-fundamental-changes-to-idf-conduct-in-w-bank-after-killing-of-citizen/00000191-dc23-d74b-ad9b-fc6f2dd30000 |
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken said 'No one should
be shot and killed for attending a protest,' after a
preliminary IDF investigation into the killing of
American-Turkish citizen Aysenur Ezgi Eygi found she
was mistakenly hit by a bullet 'aimed at a central
instigator.'
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:02:02
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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this part of the article was particularly interesting
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi's family slammed the Israeli army's preliminary inquiry
into her death as "wholly inadequate," adding that they are "deeply
offended by the suggestion that her killing by a trained sniper was in any
way unintentional."
They said that she was "taking shelter in an olive grove" during a protest
where she "was peacefully standing for justice as an international
observer and witness to Palestinian suffering" when she was shot by an
Israeli solder.
"This cannot be misconstrued as anything except a deliberate, targeted
and precise attack by the military against an unarmed civilian," the family
said.
The family called on President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris,
and Secretary of State Antony Blinken "to order an independent
investigation into the Israeli military's deliberate targeting and killing of a
U.S. citizen" and asked for transparency from Israeli officials.
Three eyewitnesses present at the protest in Beita told Haaretz that Israeli
troops shot her for no reason and there had been no clashes at the time,
contrary to the IDF's claims. They also said that the soldiers were
positioned in a way that allowed them to clearly see Eygi.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:11:37
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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Truly interesting.
No one should be killed at a protest, although she knew
the danger, it was worth it to her.
Fundamental changes should be made.
The cost for this change is just too high.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:39:38
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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you say that she knew the danger, but did she really? i don’t think it is
common knowledge that israeli snipers shoot unarmed protesters. she
knew she was in a danger zone since both illegal israeli settlers and local
militants commit acts of violence there. but to be gunned down by an
israeli solder shouldn’t be one of those risks
here is another part of that article
Vivi, an American activist who protested beside Eygi, said the shooting
occurred after the army had dispersed local and foreign protesters from
the first protest site. "We thought that the demonstration was pretty
much over because nothing was happening," she said. "First we heard a
shot and it hit a dumpster that two volunteers were sitting behind and
then there was a shot that hit Aysenur in the head," she said.
The activists said Eygi was not confronting the troops and hadn't been
throwing stones at any point during the protest, and that at the time of the
shooting it was calm. She added that even if one of the protesters had
been throwing stones, the soldiers were so far away that they couldn't
have been struck and could not claim self-defense."
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:01:28
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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Will Rogers: Anybody who gets in trouble 5,000 miles
from home was asking for it.
One of the organizers said she was briefed on the
danger. She knew and agreed.
Hello. There is a war on. You don't think a protest
is an act of war, the IDF does. Did protestors have a
permit to march?
Yep. No danger to soldiers? Not the way the soldier
may see it. They are the lucky ones to be in the West
Bank instead of on detail in Rafah. A protestor is a
resistor. A resistor is related to Hamas? What's the
logical progression of thought? Shoot them.
Did the soldier cycle out of Gaza? Who ordered them to
shoot? Personally I wonder if it was even a sniper,
not a settler. It's easy to fold up around a soldier,
and settlers are precious real estate developers.
And that's what it's all about: real estate.
Soft hearted, soft minded Americans are a dime a dozen.
We ord to the wise: there's a war on.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:44:17
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Did protestors have a permit to march? No. Shoot them in the head. |
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:46:44
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Did protestors have a permit to march? No There is a war on...(NT) |
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:51:24
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: there's a US sanctioned genocide going on ... call it what it is |
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or keep lying toyourself, mitra. Frankly, I don't know how you do it. And I'm
grateful for that.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 19:15:05
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? |
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This is a war. There is genocide on both sides, but you
only acknowledge the one.
I note that when you are empty of logic, losing
argument and out of options for intelligent response
you sidestep to insults.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 13:29:57
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? |
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“There is genocide on both sides”
that is not true
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 18:55:47
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? Genocide. |
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There have been 70 years of attacks from some
Palestinians, starting with a bus of Israeli civilians.
Language, speeches,teaching in schools, religious
insults, military training and political effort all
toward genocide.
So, 70 years of not being able to go to a bus stop, a
concert, school, walk the street, go to Olympics, a
wedding, on and on and on in Israel started and
continued by Arabs. And you think that is not
genocidal behavior on the part of the attackers?
If it's just about numbers, the Hamas spiritual cousins
are starving 26 millions in the Sudan. They are using
Iranian and Russian weapons, as Hamas does in the Gaza.
But those babies in the Sudan aren't being bombed by
Israeli/American weapons, they won't get Trump elected
by Biden's disappointed staying home so they don't
count.
Yes. There is genocide on both sides, that other side
just isn't to Jerusalem, and other Israel cities yet.
American bombs are scaring them away.
Does that mean the killing of innocent civilians is
justified? No. It's a tragedy and a failure of spirit
and creativity.
What can you do with a population who's only
celebration is that of martyrdom? Who are hiding the
leaders the hostages, the military in schools,
hospitals, doctors homes, tent dwellings, food tents?
But you will ignore this as usual. It doesn't fit your
agenda.
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Date: September 12, 2024 at 11:09:54
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? Genocide. |
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what agenda? this is an area where i agree with my progressive friends
while you express the extreme right wing position. biden or harris may
exert pressure to stop the killing while trump will fully support your choice
of killing innocent people until hamas is gone
and years of violence in that area isn’t genocide but what israel is doing in
gaza is genocide which is why the icc has charged them with war crimes
and crimes against humanity
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 07:34:09
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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repeating it over and over won't make it true.
Israel wants all Palestinian land. They've said it out loud repeatedly.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 11:55:36
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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not exactly, but that is what they are facing...iran and hamas want israel and all israelis gone...wiped off the earth...i understand they are trying to protect themselves from that...they are in a precarious position, surrounded by people/countries that want them gone...i used to be tougher on them but have grown to understand their position...i do not agree with their methods, but understand their paranoia, given the history of their persecution and execution...sure, their country is on land that was shared in the distant past...but they took over control of it in 1947 (or whenever it was)...that is how things work on this planet...if you have the power and will, you take territory...the europeans took america from the natives, england took south africa and india, the chinese took tibet, the russians are trying to take ukraine..on and on and on...and they are our ally...the only real one in that part of the world...you don't turn your back on an ally...and there are a lot of jews in america that support israel and america, politically and financially......you have no answers to the complex problems that face them and us...all you do is emotionally react to the horrible things that are occurring there, without any understanding of how things work on this ignorant and retarded planet...we feel your pain, but for you to think we don't have our own pain about what is occurring is just self-centered and wrong...
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 13:05:06
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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that’s a bunch of bullshit you wrote. i have always supported israel but
now that they have shown themselves to be a rogue nation violating
international and us laws by using the weapons we provide them to
slaughter women and children my conscience will no longer allow me to
support them. you can’t justify the ongoing genocide that israel is
committing by pointing to iran and hamas. things that are morally
and ethically wrong do not suddenly become right because iran and
hamas are bad guys
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 12:54:38
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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From what I've read about many, if not the majority of Palestinians, they do not
support Hamas. They just want Israel to allow Palestinians self rule, autonomy,
freedom and to keep their land. If Israel would allow Palestine to become a
state, which Israel has categorically said they will not agree to, Hamas would
have no value to Palestinians and would probably only cause problems for
them. It's very possibly Hamas as an entity would become become pariahs .
Hamas filled a vacuum. And remember, Netanyahu literally supported the rise
and leadership of Hamas, allowing to flourish. This is a fact that has been
reported by multiple reliable media. Israel is its own worst enemy. It is under
threat because it is an authoritarian, thuggish terrorist state, especially now
with its ultra rightwing leadership. The US need to stop supporting Israel until
they reign in and bring justice to their own insanely criminal leadership. We are
only creating more potential enemies by being a party to genocide.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 13:16:27
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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"The US need to stop supporting Israel until they reign in and bring justice
to their own insanely criminal leadership. We are only creating more
potential enemies by being a party to genocide."
And you support Trump! What a joke.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 10:15:39
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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And yeah, I know, fuck me..
Take it to International.. you’re clogging up this board with your pity
party.. and it’s long past time you go away.. Your tears are wasted here.
And god knows we can avoid you there.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 09:55:27
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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WTF is your problem? It’s on Hamas. Hamas blew it. They went too far,
and the innocent people they were entrusted to protect are suffering
horribly because they won’t back down.. even now, after they have
caused the deaths of tens of thousands they won’t back down.
Keep in mind: Hamas can end the suffering any day of the week. All they
have to do is give back the hostages. But do they? No. So why should
anyone care about your whining? Do you have a clue? Don’t you
understand? Hamas wants them to suffer and die, Hamas wants you to
whine.
Give it any name you want, but your bitching will do nothing. Your
wasting your time.. making a fool of yourself.. and perpetuating the
suffering.. you’re causing the deaths.. it’s on you as long as you keep
cheering on Hamas.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 12:28:15
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: absolutely false, Israel is not experiencing a genocide |
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Wow. In a nutshell.
"Hamas wants them to suffer and die, Hamas wants you to
whine."
Add: Vote/or neglect to vote and put Trump in for
Putin/Russia/Iran/Hamas.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 07:36:52
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: False Balance — what is it and why is it dangerous? |
URL: https://medium.com/@sophiecremen/false-balance-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-dangerous-f6cb909546b3 |
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Mitra's faulty logic has become a familiar trend.
False Balance — what is it and why is it dangerous?
Sophie Cremen
"False balance is the tactic of presenting opposing opinions on a topic as equal
when the evidence is heavily weighted on one side. It is a recurrent trend in the
media in this day and age. Ever increasingly common and spanning a number
of areas. Climate change, vaccination effects and evolution versus intelligent
design are the most popular ones we see. Surely seeing differing viewpoints on
a topic allow for a more informed public, right? While it does allow for more
opinions to be heard it creates the impression that these are arguments are
more equally balanced in evidence than is actually true. This, coupled with the
tendency for sensationalized stories to gain more traction, unfortunately has
lead to a loss of trust in science. And scientists are struggling to be heard in a
way that accurately represents them and their work.
Impartiality is one of the core aspects of journalism. The attempt to remain
unbiased is a critical aspect to reporting news. False balances are created when
journalists and reporting agencies are doing their utmost to avoid bias. If you
can present two opposing sides to a topic then you are impartial and unbiased.
However, it is damaging and unfortunately misleading to the public. It gives
weight and credence to those who do not have the evidence to back up their
stance. This style of “balance” also leads to conflict, and conflict sells. While
most journalists have the best of intentions by way of showing opposing views
and allowing the public to make up their own mind you cannot ignore what can
come from that conflict: attention.
We live in a world of social media. The world’s’ information is available at our
fingertips every moment of every day. Something extra is needed to grab our
attention. An issue that will drive conversation, engagement, retweets, sharing
the article hashtagging the piece and online arguments draw us all in. Having
two voices expressing very different beliefs on a topic is a surefire way to get
that. Which one peaks interest more? An article on the MMR vaccine with a
expert detailing how many lives the vaccine has saved and the copious
amounts of studies and clinical data proving that is no related risk of autism
development. Or a piece where you have one person presenting proof and
having to defend their stance against someone who speaks very emotively
about vaccine damage and mercury and more often than not mentions “big
pharma” as orchestrating damage to patients to pad the bottom line. Alas we
know which ones gets the biggest draw.
Why is this so dangerous when it comes to science? It undercuts and
undermines the work of scientists. If an equal opinion is so readily available to
every single scientific fact or discovery well the other opinion is just as credible
too right? We are losing faith in science. Anti science rhetoric is gaining
traction. More and more powerful individuals are expressing doubt and
scepticism in science. Voices of doubt are getting louder and louder. The false
balance premise allows people to claim that they are just “asking questions”. It
is an unfortunate side effect of trying to appease all sides. Science and related
topics can also be seen as exclusionary, entirely driven by people who are
unrelatable. The false equivalency driving debate and conflict forces those
involved into combative completely opposing viewpoints. Instead of a
discussion that leads to further understanding and growth we see people
becoming entrenched and unwilling to listen. This is particularly obvious when
it comes to the vaccine debate. Since the 1990s the anti vaccination movement
has gained rapid traction. In part due to the work of Andrew Wakefield. 20 years
ago, this disgraced formed gastroenterologist published a paper with 12 others
in The Lancet. They claimed to there was a link between the MMR vaccine and
a condition they identified as autistic enterocolitis. A combination of a
‘regressive’ autism and inflammatory bowel disease. The fact that the MMR
vaccine was attributed to be a cause within two weeks of inoculation was what
caught the attention of the media. The shockwaves of what this paper did to
the medical field can still be felt today. Last month alone 15 cases of measles
were identified in Limerick and one in Dublin. Parents still question if it safe to
vaccinate their children. Medical professionals and scientific experts struggle to
reassure people that their children are safe. It is not their fault; a parents’ first
priority is to their child and they will do any to ensure their wellbeing. Doubt
continues to be fostered when it comes to vaccines. The evidence is in, they
save lives. We live in a time where we have managed to eliminate diseases
completely. But when such suspicions are allowed to foster it is actually putting
lives at risk. How does this belief still have such sway today though?
Again it boils down to how these things are reported. I mean no disrespect to
journalists but it can be difficult for someone under deadline to have a full
comprehension of a topic and reiterate that in a clear manner trying to maintain
an unbiased view. Scientific papers can be dry and tricky to portray in a exciting
enticing way. People read them and try to redress them in a way that grabs
attention. Exaggerating the effects of something or making out the results of a
study to be a lot more definitive than they actually are. Last year it was reported
that roasting or frying starchy foods like bread could increase of cancer. When
starchy foods are roasted acrylamide is formed. Acrylamide has been shown to
cause certain cancers in animals. It was classified as a Class 2A carcinogen by
the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). Class 2A is a
designation used when there limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans as
well as sufficient evidence in experimental animals. So basically erring on the
side of caution. There is not absolute evidence one way or the other but there is
evidence to show that something is there. Limiting intake is probably a good
idea but there are a great deal more risk factors to be taken into consideration
first. Luckily people very quickly made the correction in the media but
sensationalising scientific research followed by a quick denial only erodes
public trust in science. Science is not absolute. It is about the learning and
understanding of what we and the universe are made of. It is a constant
evolution of knowledge and ideas. Each new development require a slight shift
of what we think is true. Anti-science people often cry that scientists don’t
know everything. Yes that is entirely the point. Those of us who work in
scientific fields are not all knowing. That is what drives us in the field. Theories
and ideas are eternally shifting and growing as we gain more evidence. This
leads to problems when new developments are reported on as concrete and
definitive and also frequently sensationalized. Then when inevitably the
correction and clarification pieces follow people reading them get confused.
This confusion can lead to suspicion with the general public. If scientists can’t
make up their minds why should we listen to them? When viewed with the
tendency of the media to have false equivalency, science seems to be a lot
more steeped in doubt and uncertainty than is accurate. If for every theory and
development you can easily find a voice that disagrees with it and appears to
have the same level of credence, is there hope for trust? Once doubt is created
in the public it is almost impossible to reverse it. It has now been 20 years since
Wakefield and his paper and we are still seeing parents panic about their
children being vaccinated. Stories of vaccine damage still run rampant
online.Then you see articles discussing vaccines with two opposing sides. The
opposing parties are being presented to us as being highly comparable, so they
must have proportional amounts of evidence to back them up right? If we
present science as constantly in conflict and if we are unable to come to a clear
consensus then how can there be any faith in it? These are the problems with
false balances and an unfortunate side effect of journalists attempt to remain
nonpartisan in reporting. There is way to report on science fairly and justly
without needing to facilitate an opposing side. Simply by looking at the
evidence on a particular area such as vaccination; it is usually very obvious very
quickly where the evidence leads you.
On the flip side of this problem is this type of reporting that is has on the
scientists themselves. Just as trust is compromised by the public in them, they
lose trust in how their work is going to be represented. It can look like an uphill
struggle to be seen and heard in a way that does not involve having to prove
yourself against someone who disagrees with you. Work has been taken and
misrepresented, sensationalized. Luckily we are seeing more and more
scientists seeing how important being social media savvy and writing
extensively is to science exposure. Becoming advocates for good science and
journalists in their own regard. Having an open line of communication between
the media and scientists is key in allowing science to be shown in an accurate
way. We need to work to establish faith that scientific evidence can and will be
reported on independently. There will always be discussion and debate on such
things, but we also need to allow the evidence to speak for itself. Just as anti
science stories are gaining traction in the social media age; awareness of
scientific advocacy is too. There is an audience for it, a need for it. People want
to be informed. There is a human need for knowledge and accuracy and fair
representation is critical in that.
It is more crucial than ever that we remain aware of the trend towards false
balance reporting. The long lasting effects of bad science and pseudoscience
and in fact outright lying has never been clearer. Their ability to spread and be
heard has never been quicker. The false balances being shown, either due to
genuine attempts for impartial reporting or for more coverage have an impact
on the public mind. Not all scientific theories are steeped in doubt and
controversy. There are things which have the most evidence and they need to
be shown as such. If we want to remain well informed the facts must be
presented to us in a way that allows us to get an accurate view of the evidence.
By being active in fair reporting and avoiding debate for the sake of debate we
may be able to restore faith in science and allow scientists to trust that they will
be heard without fear of misrepresentation."
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 07:55:46
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Balance Fallacy |
URL: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy |
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"“”There's a kind of notion that everyone's opinion is equally valid. My arse! A
bloke who's been a professor of dentistry for 40 years does not have a debate
with some eejit who removes his teeth with string and a door!
—Dara Ó BriainWikipedia[1][2]
“”Whether it’s Jimmy Carter seeking donations to build orphanages, or Donald
Trump raising funds to pay the lawyers defending him against multiple criminal
indictments, presidents of both parties have spent their post-White House
years asking the public for money.[3]
“”If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!
—Rush,Wikipedia "Freewill"
The balance fallacy is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when two sides of
an argument are assumed to have equal or comparable value regardless of
their respective merits, which (in turn) can lead to the conclusion that the
answer to a problem is always to be found between two extremes. The latter is
effectively an inverse false dilemma, discarding the two extremes rather than
the middle.
While the rational position on a topic is often between two extremes, this
cannot be assumed without actually considering the evidence. Sometimes the
extreme position is actually the correct one, and sometimes the entire
spectrum of belief is wrong, and truth exists in an orthogonal direction that
hasn't yet been considered. Furthermore, oftentimes the two sides being
compared aren't equally extreme, so a conclusion drawn from this fallacy will
end up benefiting the more extreme side.
Balance is often a problem in the media, where confrontational or adversarial
journalism might present more of a controversy about some topic than actually
exists, giving equal time to fringe minority viewpoints to draw in viewers. It is
effectively the opposite of bias — whereas bias over-emphasises one view to
the detriment of another legitimate, well-supported view to give the impression
of one being favoured, false balance over-emphasises a minority or
unsupported view to the detriment of a well-supported view to give the
impression that neither is favoured.
Alternate names
false balance
false compromise
middle ground
splitting the difference
argumentum ad temperantiam
false equivalency
"bothsidesism," as Paul Krugman calls it when it's in the media.[4]
Form
There is a choice to make between doing X or doing Y. Therefore, the answer is
somewhere between X and Y.
The problem is that it's possible that either X or Y is entirely true, meaning that
only partially doing the right thing makes little sense. This argument is generally
built around the idea that the middle point between two extremes is equal parts
of each side and therefore equally acceptable to both sides; but as the saying
goes, half a kitten is not half as cute, it's a bloody mess."
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 06:40:22
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? |
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why has israel invaded palestine?
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 12:42:54
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a US sanctioned ... What of Iran sanctioned? |
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"why has israel invaded palestine?"
Because they attacked Israel repeatedly and left Israel
with no option, they had died for ceasefire,
negotiations, to no avail.
The Arabic population was arrogant and harbored
terrorists.
Israel won the six day war and did not cede the
territory back.
See International Board for link.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:13:31
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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“Soft hearted, soft minded Americans are a dime a dozen.”
did you mean that to sound heartless? because it does
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:42:14
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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“Soft hearted, soft minded Americans are a dime a dozen.”
At this point, I suspect you can get them a lot cheaper than that.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:19:29
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: U.S. Calls for 'Fundamental Changes' to IDF Conduct in West Bank |
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:46:55
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: it only hurts people with a conscience, which is clearly lacking here |
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again I ask, what has happened to you? You used to at least seem to have a
conscience, a heart, some compassion.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 20:49:30
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: it only hurts people with a conscience, which is clearly lacking... |
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like a fine wine, i just keep getting better and better with age...
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 13:18:28
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: IDF investigates itself & determines it was an accident LOLOLOLOL |
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good enough for mitra. good enough for earthboppin. Let's move on
everybody. Enough!
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 13:45:04
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & determines it was an accident LOLOLOLOL |
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if you jump in a fire there's a good chance you'll get burned...
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:10:15
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & determines it was an accident LOLOLOLOL |
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 13:43:18
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's macabre. |
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Blinken said *no one* should die attending a protest.
He didn't let IDF off the hook, calling for fundamental
changes.
But that doesn't make as good propaganda as you'd like.
Got to distract.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:25:28
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's macabre. |
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it is a bit like ted bundy’s mother announcing her teddy has been a bad
boy and she planned to explain murder is bad using the sternest words
meanwhile israel continues to kill civilians
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:58:45
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: meanwhile israel continues to kill civilians..with complete US support(NT) |
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:06:59
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: not so complete. Blinken: fundamentals changes... |
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not so complete. Blinken: fundamentals changes...
But it doesn't make that one-sided poster you like to
wave.
Wow. what will happen to you if Trump wins and all
Palestinians are shuffled off to the Sudan with the
other 26 million starving Islamic Terrorist victims?
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 14:41:06
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's macabre. |
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Israel will kill civilians until Hamas is gone.
Nothing new, been that way from the start.
If Hamas cared about their people they would surrender
instead of celebrating their people's new status as
martyrs.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:02:55
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's macabre. |
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“Israel will kill civilians until Hamas is gone.”
first this american woman was murdered in the west bank and not during
the israeli genocide in gaza. this woman’s murder had mother to do with
hamas
second, while i agree israel will kill civilians until hamas is gone since this
american woman’s murder had nothing to do with hamas and was outside
of gaza it is clear israel will likely continue to kill civilians.
it is time for the united states to consider an arms embargo against such a
bloodthirsty nation as israel has shown themselves to be
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 15:19:58
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's aHamas all over. |
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There's a war on and this protest would be considered
an extension of that war by the IDF, as Hezbollah
activities are an extension of the war. (The protest
organizer understood that.)
The IDF will fulfill it's mission to guard and protect.
Why doesn't the USA consider an arms embargo against
the one country standing to protect it's interests in
the region when it is fighting an enemy (Hamas/Iran)
sworn to wipe it (Israel) off the face of the earth as
well as the (Great Satan) USA?
My question is why you are more concerned with weapons
than the welfare of the people? That's Hamas all over.
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 12:56:48
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's aHamas all over. |
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“My question is why you are more concerned with weapons than the
welfare of the people?”
simple, those weapons are paid for by us taxpayers and made in the usa
and israel is using them to commit genocide. it made sense for us
taxpayers to help a strong israel being the only democratic ally in the
region. now that israel has shown they ignore us and international law
using the us taxpayer funded weapons to slaughter women and children it
is time to stop
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 13:56:46
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's aHamas all over. |
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a lot of "us" taxpayers are jewish...
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 14:59:22
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's aHamas all over. |
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that doesn’t change the fact that israel is using our taxpayer funded
weapons to commit genocide. you keep trying to justify israel committing
genocide and breaking us and international laws by using weapons that
the taxpayers fund
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Date: September 11, 2024 at 20:11:50
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: IDF investigates itself & laughter? That's aHamas all over. |
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i have never justified israel comitting "genocide"...why do you keep lying?
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