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Date: September 09, 2024 at 08:51:07
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
URL: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/9/9/aysenur_eygi |
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will everyone here ignore this cold blooded murder of an American citizen? Would you be equally silent if she was killed by the Russian military? No. She would be lauded as a hero.
Justice for Ayşenur Eygi: As Israel Kills Another American in West Bank, Will U.S. Demand Accountability?
J uliette Majidfriend of Aysenur Eygi.Amado Sison Filipino American activist who was shot in the leg by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank. Jonathan Pollak Israeli peace activist and co-founder of Anarchists Against the Wall.
International Solidarity Movement
Image Credit: International Solidarity Movement (left) A funeral is being held today in the occupied West Bank for Turkish American activist Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, who was shot dead Friday by Israeli forces while taking part in a weekly protest against illegal Israeli settlements in the town of Beita. The 26-year-old recent graduate of the University of Washington was a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement. Witnesses say she was fatally shot in the head by an Israeli sniper after the demonstration had already dispersed. The Turkish government has said it holds Israel responsible for Ayşenur’s death, while the U.S. government has offered condolences and called for Israel to investigate the incident. At least 17 Palestinian protesters have been killed in Beita in protests against illegal Israeli settlements since 2020.
Juliette Majid, a friend of Eygi at the University of Washington, remembers the slain activist as being “passionate about justice” and involved in various causes. “She’s no longer with us, but her spirit and her love and who she was and who she impacted in our community are still with us every day,” says Majid. Filipino American activist Amado Sison, who also volunteered in the occupied West Bank and was himself shot in the leg by Israeli forces on August 9 during a weekly protest in Beita, says the U.S. government must demand an independent investigation and end Israeli impunity. “If they took it seriously that a U.S. citizen was shot a month ago, maybe Ayşenur would be here right now,” he says.
Transcript This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form. AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman.
In Nablus in the occupied West Bank, a funeral procession is underway at the time of this broadcast for the Turkish American activist Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi. She was killed by the Israeli military in the occupied West Bank on Friday. Ayşenur was a 26-year-old recent graduate of UDub, the University of Washington, in Seattle. She was shot dead by Israeli forces during a weekly Friday protest against illegal Israeli settlements in the town of Beita.
According to eyewitnesses, Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition, forcing the protesters to disperse down a hill on the edge of the town. Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, who was on the scene, said the shooting took place about half an hour after the protesters had dispersed and the situation was calm. He said Ayşenur and other foreign volunteers were standing about 200 yards from the Israeli military. He described what happened.
JONATHAN POLLAK: So, after retreating from the hilltop, I was right there where the garbage can is. And that’s — it was completely quiet already back then. The clashes had dissipated. And then, after 10 or 15 minutes it was completely quiet, I heard two distinct shots of live ammunition. One hit a metal object, and then I retreated a little bit backward into the olive grove, and then, a few seconds after, maybe two or three seconds, a second shot. And I heard someone calling my name and saying in English, “Help! Help us! We need help! Come over.” So I chased — I raced through the olive grove down there. Her head was gushing with blood. She was lying here. I put my hand behind her back to try and stop the bleeding, which didn’t stop. I looked up and saw a direct line of sight from where the soldiers were on that rooftop, some 200 meters away. I quickly took her pulse. It was very, very weak. Her eyes were rolled back. Her skin started becoming yellow. And we panically called for the ambulance to come. By the time this had happened, it was completely quiet here. We were standing for 10, 15 minutes without anything happening. The reason why no one was filming is because it was completely quiet. And then, all of a sudden, two shots. And the sniper or the soldier that was there took a kill shot. And this happens in context. This isn’t an isolated incident. It happens in the context of the 17 people who were killed in demonstrations in Beita since 2021. We have heard nothing about them because they’re not Americans. AMY GOODMAN: That was Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak.
Ayşenur was taken to a hospital in Nablus, where she was pronounced dead on arrival. The governor of Nablus told reporters Saturday an autopsy confirmed that Ayşenur was, quote, “killed by an Israeli occupation sniper’s bullet to the head,” unquote.
The Israeli military said in a statement it was, quote, “looking into reports that a foreign national was killed” and that, quote, “details of the incident and the circumstances in which she was hit are under review,” unquote. The statement added Israeli forces had, quote, “responded with fire toward a main instigator of violent activity who hurled rocks at the forces and posed a threat to them,” unquote.
The Turkish government has said it holds Israel responsible for Ayşenur’s death. On Saturday, the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan blasted Israel for the killing.
PRESIDENT RECEP TAYYIP ERDOĞAN: [translated] Yesterday, they heinously murdered our young child Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi. To date, they have killed over 40,000 innocent civilians, including 17,000 children. They attack barbarically and shed blood indiscriminately, whether it be children, women, youth or the elderly. AMY GOODMAN: Meanwhile, the White House has called on Israel to investigate the attack. This is Secretary of State Antony Blinken speaking on Friday.
SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN: First, I just want to extend my deepest condolences, the deepest condolences of the United States government to the family of Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi. We deplore this tragic loss. Now, the most important thing to do is to gather the facts. And that’s exactly what we’re in the process of doing, and we are intensely focused on getting those facts. And any actions that we take are driven by the facts. So, first things first, let’s find out exactly what happened, and we will draw the necessary conclusions and consequences from that. AMY GOODMAN: Ayşenur’s family has called for an independent investigation, saying, quote, “We welcome the White House’s statement of condolences, but given the circumstances of Ayşenur’s killing, an Israeli investigation is not adequate. We call on President Biden, Vice President Harris, and Secretary of State Blinken to order an independent investigation into the unlawful killing of a U.S. citizen and to ensure full accountability for the guilty parties,” end-quote.
At least 17 Palestinian protesters have been killed in Beita in protests against illegal Israeli settlements since 2020.
For more, we’re joined by two guests. Amado Sison, which is a pseudonym, is a Filipino American citizen who was shot in the leg by the Israeli forces one month ago today, on August 9th, during the weekly protest in Beita in the occupied West Bank. Sison was volunteering with the international nonviolent protective presence group Faz3a, the same group Ayşenur was with along with being a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement. Amado Sison a high school English teacher from Jersey City in New Jersey. We’re also joined by Juliette Majid. She was friends with Ayşenur at the University of Washington. Juliette Majid is now a Ph.D. student at North Carolina State University. She’s joining us from Raleigh, North Carolina.
Juliette, let’s begin with you. Tell us who Ayşenur is. She, like you, just graduated from UDub, from the University of Washington, in Seattle, where she grew up since, well, her family came there from Turkey, since before she was 1 year old.
JULIETTE MAJID: Yeah. First of all, thank you for saying who she is. She’s no longer with us, but her spirit and her love and her — who she was and who she impacted in our community are still with us every single day. The family, I think, in their statement had beautiful, beautiful words that I want to uplift on who she was. She was amazing, a staunch advocate and organizer. She was passionate about justice. She was compassionate and kind, and she wore her heart on her sleeves. She always made you feel like you were listened to. You never had to think when talking to her; you just had to be. That’s how she was. She just was herself, nobody else. She inspired everybody she ever met. She inspired me. And I know that, going forward, I will keep holding her in my heart, as well.
AMY GOODMAN: Juliette, I know this is incredibly difficult for you. She was killed on Friday. This is just Monday. And our deepest condolences to you and to Ayşenur’s family, which I know extends beyond her own family, but to the whole community at UDub, those who were involved, like you and her, in the encampment there, like there were encampments all over the United States, protesting the Israeli war on Gaza. Can you talk about her activism — you talked about how she inspired you — and also about learning of her death on Friday? She had just gotten to the occupied West Bank — right? — did a training on Wednesday and was killed on Friday. And you’re now a student in North Carolina.
JULIETTE MAJID: Yeah, so I met Ayşenur at the University of Washington. We both graduated in June. More than just the student encampment, she was a community organizer in Seattle. She was always volunteering to help, always volunteering in the community, in the campus, before the encampment and after. So many people met her during the encampment. She was just always around, always willing to help. She moved in a wonderful grassroots way that was just always willing to assist wherever it was needed. She never asked much of herself. She always asked what others wanted from her, what they needed from her, how she could help, what she could do. She was very passionate about the student movement at UDub. She was very involved on campus. And the community is absolutely reeling, heartbroken, trying to come to terms with what happened. It was, as you said, so recent, on Friday. So many, I think, community members learned through the media on Friday morning, an absolutely heartbreaking way to find out for those who loved her. And there are so many. Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: This is the second loss in the UDub community, because on October 7th, Hayim Katsman was killed when Hamas raided, came over from Gaza. We spoke to his sibling Noy, who also immediately called for peace and said that their brother Hayim was a peace activist, as well.
JULIETTE MAJID: I can only speak to who I knew, and that was Ayşenur, who was upholding a long tradition of international observers in the West Bank, who was deliberately killed while she was peacefully observing. I want to uplift what the family has asked for, which is a independent U.S. investigation. We don’t — I don’t want to just rely on the Israeli military to investigate themselves. An American citizen, a member of our community, an American human rights activist who was passionate about the liberation of all peoples, here in the States and abroad, was taken from us. We want an investigation. We want our government to — I want our government to investigate this and to hold the guilty parties accountable. Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Juliette, we’re joined here in New York by another activist who joined those protests in Beita, just as Ayşenur did last week. Amado Sison, not his real name, a pseudonym, is a Filipino American, a Jersey City teacher, who was shot in the leg by Israeli soldiers a month ago today, August 9th, during that protest in Beita, volunteering with the international nonviolent group Faz3a. If you could explain with that is, Amado?
AMADO SISON: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: And also working with the International Solidarity Movement. In a moment, we’re going to talk with Rachel Corrie’s parents, who was killed 20 years ago, also with the ISM, protesting the Israeli occupation. If you can talk about what happened a month ago, the fact that you, too, were shot, and what the U.S. government has done about this?
AMADO SISON: Yeah. So, to clarify, so, ISM and Faz3a, we both work together in training. We’re two separate organizations. And Ayşenur was part of ISM, and I was part of Faz3a. But we see each other during those protests. So —
AMY GOODMAN: You’re walking with a cane now.
AMADO SISON: Yeah, I’m walking with a cane. They shot me in the leg.
AMY GOODMAN: Why were you protesting in Beita? Explain what it is.
AMADO SISON: Yeah. So, every week, our organizations come to Beita to protest the illegal settlement that was built upon Beita’s land, the Evyatar settlement, I believe. And there’s a Jum’ah prayer that happens. And after the prayer, that’s when the chanting starts. We never got to get to the settlement, for them to return to the land, because tear gas happened. So, they shoot tear gas at us. They shot live rounds at us. We’ve had to hide behind concrete walls. You could see the dust coming off of the concrete wall when the live rounds hit. When they come down, we run.
And then, on that day, we regrouped, and then we were at the foot of the street that goes up to where the watchtower was, where the Israeli army was. We saw them coming down, and we saw Palestinians running from our left, so we ran through the olive groves. So, when I was running, I got shot in the back of my leg. And I thought it was a tear gas canister, because it was a — it felt like a blunt object hit me. But when we got —
AMY GOODMAN: We’re actually showing, for our TV audience —
AMADO SISON: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: — your leg when you were shot.
AMADO SISON: Yeah, yeah. I only saw that twice. So, yeah, so, when I got to the clearing, the Palestinians raised me up, put me in a pickup truck, got me to the clinic, transferred me to an ambulance. And getting to the hospital, we had two trucks blocking us and then two checkpoints where they demanded to see who was inside, so it delayed my care further. But the Palestinians showed me so much care and love, and I am indebted to them for saving me that day.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to go to Jonathan Pollak, the Israeli activist who held Ayşenur as she died, has taken part in the weekly protests against the settlement in Beita for months. Jonathan couldn’t join us today because he’s taking part in this funeral procession for Ayşenur in Nablus. We spoke to him yesterday, and this is some of what he had to say.
JONATHAN POLLAK: I would just like to say that her death is not an isolated incident. The bullet that was shot at Ayşenur is the exact same bullet that was shot at Amado Sison a few weeks ago, like, hitting him in the leg, another American citizen hurt in exactly the same place. It is the same bullet used by Israeli forces to kill — to kill the people in Nur Shams and in Jenin. And these are the same bullets that killed a 13-year-old girl on the same day that Ayşenur was killed, just a few kilometers to the south. These are the same bullets that Israel uses to perpetrate the genocide in Gaza with complete impunity. And all these bullets are provided to Israel by the American taxpayers’ money. And the one thing that sets this incident apart is that on Friday, American bullets killed an American citizen. And this is why we hear of it now. But it is really time for this to stop. It is time that Israel is held accountable and is forced to end its colonial regime over Palestinians and ensure Palestinian liberation. Now, that kill shot — and this soldier took a kill shot — was meant to convey a message. And that message is that any sort of Palestinian resistance to Israeli colonialism will not be tolerated, whether it be Palestinians resisting Israeli occupation or solidarity activists standing with Palestinians as they fight for liberation. And however violent the Israeli message is going to be, our message to the Israelis is that, no matter what, we will continue to stand with Palestinians in the struggle for liberation. AMY GOODMAN: So, that’s the Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, who held Ayşenur as she died. She was there then. He went in the ambulance with her to the hospital in Nablus. He described to us also how this was after the weekly protest that they hold, this weekly protest every Friday. And they were done. It was very calm, when Ayşenur was shot in the head. Amado Sison, just staying with you for a moment, you were shot a month ago. What did the — you’re a U.S. citizen. You’re a teacher in Jersey City. What did the U.S. government do? Did you speak to the U.S. Embassy?
AMADO SISON: Yeah, so, it was just the U.S. Embassy. They reached out when I got shot.
AMY GOODMAN: In Israel?
AMADO SISON: Yeah. And we filed a report, don’t have any updates about what that turned into. I did give them a report, as well, consent. But no State Department, no politicians, nobody has reached out to me. And what I think is, if they took it seriously that a U.S. citizen was shot a month ago, maybe Ayşenur would be here right now.
AMY GOODMAN: So, did the ambassador or staff come to you in the hospital? Did the State Department here speak to you when you returned, shot in the leg?
AMADO SISON: No, nothing. I heard nothing from them.
AMY GOODMAN: You’ve demanded an investigation?
AMADO SISON: I demand an investigation now for when I was shot, for, you know, Ayşenur’s murder, an independent U.S. investigation, because what the Israel report was was it was a mistake shooting me. Mistakes usually come from above and down. They shot me through my right thigh all the way through.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, they said they shot in the air.
AMADO SISON: They said it was a mistake. So, I don’t know what a mistake would be when you’re pointing and shooting straight through someone’s thigh. So, I don’t know what they’re going to conclude about Ayşenur, but I know that if they investigate themselves, they will find a way to cover it up. So, I want to uplift her family’s demands, as well."
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 12:31:20
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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to repeat:
IMO, she was an American activist (not an innocent tourist or bystander) at an active demonstration/protest on foreign soil who placed herself intentionally in an area that is filled with violence - military and otherwise. She knew exactly the dangers of being there and the dangers of her actions. The West Bank is not the USA and as such, there are different rules and laws.
That would be like one of you going to Moscow Russia or Lviv Ukraine and deciding to protest the war in Ukraine. You would be knowingly risking your own life and facing either arrest by the Russians or being killed in the war between the two countries. Placing oneself in the middle of a war between two countries will never have a good outcome.
And isn't the West Bank a known for the Hamas?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 13:31:16
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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israel is not legally there. God will judge the person who pulled the trigger. God knows if it was intentional or not. but israel is fomenting violence with the way they treat Palestinians. what goes around comes around and i don't want to be in the way when it does. i have no respect for israel now in their treatment of palestine.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 13:25:22
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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she had no weapons and was peacefully protesting when Israeli forces intentionally shot her in the head, according to an eyewitness. Your callousness is repulsive.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 14:28:16
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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true enough...but she was protesting in a place where something like this might happen...you black and white conclusion does not take into account any details of what might have been happening when she was shot...certainly a terrible thing to happen, but it need not have happened...your judgements are repulsive...
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 18:40:57
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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She has no interest in being *equanimical* by anyone's definition, ryan, not even those of the board's owner...
She's going to rule these two boards with her compulsive iron-indictment projective fist, on her terms, from solely her context of reality, unless and until something/someone stops her...
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 23:01:53
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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I pretty much just skip all her posts now.
Whatever I want to know about the war over there I read myself somewhere else, sources I trust.
makes it a much quicker visit to the board: skip...skip...skip...
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 02:25:22
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: lie... lie... lie... |
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how else can you debunk my posts if you skip them?
I'm so sorry I don't give you just the information you want to know. The truth can be bothersome. Don't strain yourself, redhart.
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 09:29:17
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 01:45:03
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that's a lot of skippin'...lol...
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 09:31:01
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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skip to my lou my darlin'...🤾♀️ ♫ ♪
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 18:19:41
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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your ignorance is repulsive. stop projecting it onto me. Learn some facts, jack.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 18:33:18
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 18:49:00
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 19:24:59
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
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Drop Site@DropSiteNews “All the evidence - the eyewitness, the autopsy reports - indicate Aysenur was murdered by an Israeli sniper. What more information are you looking for from Israel? Do you have any doubt she was killed by an Israeli sniper?” asked @iclalturan
CNN: American activist shot dead by Israeli forces at West Bank protest, eyewitnesses say
Mick Krever Jennifer Hansler By Mick Krever, Ibrahim Dahman, Kareem Khadder, Abeer Salman, Eyad Kourdi and Jennifer Hansler, CNN 6 minute read Updated 6:14 PM EDT, Fri September 6, 2024
American-Turkish activist Aysenur Eygi pictures in a family photo from her graduation at the University of Washington this past spring. American-Turkish activist Aysenur Eygi pictures in a family photo from her graduation at the University of Washington this past spring. Aysenur Eygi Family CNN — A young Turkish-American woman, Aysenur Eygi, was shot and killed in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Friday, according to US and Palestinian officials, while she was taking part in a protest near Nablus.
Eygi was shot in the head by Israeli forces responding to the gathering, according to two eyewitnesses who spoke to CNN. The 26-year-old had been participating in a weekly protest against an Israeli settlement near the Palestinian village of Beita, they also said.
The Israeli military has admitted to firing at the demonstrators. In a statement, the IDF added that its forces “responded with fire toward a main instigator of violent activity who hurled rocks at the forces and posed a threat to them.”
The IDF is “looking into reports that a foreign national was killed as a result of shots fired in the area,” it also said.
Smoke rises during an Israeli military raid in Jenin in the occupied West Bank on Thursday. RELATED ARTICLE ‘All the streets were destroyed:’ Palestinians count the cost as Israel pulls back from Jenin Eygi had been volunteering with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), the same pro-Palestinian activist group as Rachel Corrie, a US citizen who was killed in 2003 while trying to block an Israeli bulldozer from razing Palestinian homes in Gaza.
“This morning brought the awful news that Israeli troops reportedly killed recent UW graduate Aysenur Eygi in the West Bank,” University of Washington President Ana Mari Cauce said in a statement. “Aysenur was a peer mentor in psychology who helped welcome new students to the department and provided a positive influence in their lives.”
She was a University of Washington graduate who graduated from the Seattle- based institution this spring.
Protests at Beita are common. The Palestinian town is next to a ramshackle Israeli settler outpost known as Evyatar. The settlement was unauthorized by the Israeli state until it was legalized earlier this year. All Israeli settlements are considered illegal under international law.
The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah said that the activist arrived at Rafidia Governmental Hospital “with serious occupation gunshot wounds to the head.”
“Medical teams have announced her death after resuscitation attempts and treatment,” it added.
Eygi held both US and Turkish citizenship. US officials are looking into the deadly incident, and the Turkish government has said it holds Israel responsible for her death.
‘As people were running away, live fire was shot’ Eyewitnesses described the moments leading up to her killing on Friday.
Eygi was crouched near a dumpster at the bottom of a hill when gunfire began, Vivi Chen, who volunteers for Faza’a – another pro-Palestinian group which works in partnership with ISM – said. Chen confirmed Eygi was there with ISM.
“We were all at the bottom of the hill and the Israeli army was at the top,” Chen said. “There were two volunteers sitting behind a dumpster and they fired one shot at the dumpster. It hit a metal plane. And then there was another shot and they shot – they shot her in the head.”
US President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu RELATED ARTICLE America’s push for an Israel-Hamas deal is a failure on repeat. But the US can’t walk away. Video shared with CNN by Chen shows paramedics wrestling her body onto a stretcher. Blood pours from a hole in her forehead. Eygi was brought to Rafidia hospital in Nablus, where she was pronounced dead.
Chen said she believed Eygi was targeted. “They have weapons from America. It is not an accident that they hit her in the head. That was on purpose. It’s not that they shot a hundred shots at the same time, and she was hit with one. We were all standing still, not moving. Just standing there, and they shot her through the head.”
Dr. Hisham Dweikat, a resident of Beita who took part in the demonstration, told CNN that as the protest was wrapping up, the Israeli military started firing tear gas towards the crowd.
“As people were running away, live fire was shot and a soldier fired directly at the protesters, hitting the American activist in the head from behind and falling to the ground,” he also said.
Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, who was taking part in Friday’s protest, said Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition at the peaceful demonstration, forcing protesters to retreat. After a 20-minute lull, Pollak said he noticed an Israeli soldier aiming his rifle and heard shots.
One bullet struck a young man, and the other hit Eygi, who was standing near an olive tree, according to Pollak. “I ran towards them. They were in the olive grove just behind, and I found her lying on the ground under an olive tree, bleeding to death. She had a bullet hole in her head,” Pollak said.
A fellow ISM volunteer, who declined to be named due to security concerns, said the protest was peaceful, and they were “demonstrating alongside Palestinians against the colonization of their land and the illegal settlement of Evyatar.”
The volunteer said the “situation escalated when the Israeli army began to fire tear gas and live ammunition.”
ISM describes itself as a Palestinian-led movement founded in 2001, saying on its website that it uses non-violent, direct-action methods to resist the “oppression and dispossession of Palestinians.” The group supports Palestinians by standing alongside them during demonstrations and in areas facing attacks in the occupied West Bank.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 14:48:33
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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are you really looking for reasons that might justify israeli solders shooting an unarmed american woman in the head???
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 15:38:21
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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Did they know she was an American woman????
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 15:45:14
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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as opposed to shooting an unarmed non-american woman in the head? would that really change things? the issue is israel violating international laws but slaughtering civilians
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 16:57:31
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: israel violating international laws by slaughtering civilians? |
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“the issue is israel violating international laws by slaughtering civilians”
What? No the issue is Hamas slaughtering civilians.. brah 10/7 remember, or did that just happen to ‘slip your mind?’
But, while we’re chatting, tell me.. what does this have to do with a forum where we discuss issues that happen in America?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 16:50:43
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 16:58:49
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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exactly, their conduct is on the level of hamas. but if our ally israel, the recipient of billions in us weapons and aid are no better than hamas and is gunning down unarmed us citizens should they be the recipient of billions in weapons paid for by us taxpayers?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 20:56:47
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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Exactly - you see no war, and I see military actions = warlike actions. And once again, how would they have known she was an unarmed us citizen? Was she waving a banner, a flag? Did she have her passport enlarged and displayed on her body? And how would they have known she was unarmed? Just because she didn't display a visible weapon? Hamas has employed all kinds of death weapons which are not always as clearly seen as guns.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 21:21:46
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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not sure what you are saying. do you think israeli soldiers should be able to gun down people at protests just in case they may be up to something? do you think this woman should have needed to prove she was an unarmed us citizen or forfeit her life? the entire subject is about how we are supplying weapons to israel and they are not using them in accordance with international law as they show a blatant disregard for civilian life and the cold blooded murder of this american citizen is just the latest example
hamas doesn’t really have a presence in the west bank so this has nothing to do with hamas, just how israel is misusing us taxpayer funded weapons
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 22:45:07
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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israelis said the protestors were throwing rocks at them...a pitiful excuse for shooting someone but that has been their MO for a long time...shooting kids even...sick shit by sick people...so what do you want, blood? are you going to DC to put a bullet in them? then shut up with your bs...
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 23:21:11
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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how about we stop sending billions of dollars of us taxpayer funded weapons to a regime that is slaughtering civilians? a regime that show an female us citizen in the head. we send billions to israel to have a strong democratic ally in the region. but if they are nothing more than a genocidal regime with no regard for human life, which is what they have shown it is time to stop funding them
this ain’t fucking rocket science, no blood necessary, we cut off the flow of money to them, we stop spending our tax dollars supporting these killers
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 01:47:44
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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"a regime that show an female us citizen in the head"
need a translation here! ah whiskey...white man's water...
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Date: September 10, 2024 at 02:47:05
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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“a regime that shot a female us citizen in the head"
you really couldn’t figure out what the typo was?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 21:26:50
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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What I don't understand about the likes of you - you are all outraged about a woman, who intentionally and deliberately placed herself in harms way in an area known for shooting, killings and kidnappings. Outraged that she was shot. Where is that same outrage for all the innocent young girls and women who are being shot to death in the classrooms of our schools? By guns that the NRA fully support we, as US citizens 'need'?? That our own government, that is supported by the American taxpayers, will not step in and do a dang thing about while more and more children and young kids are getting killed - in facilities that are supposedly 'safe'???? Where is your outrage about the killings on the grounds of your own country?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 21:38:12
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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so no comment on if this woman in a non-war zone should have had to prove she was an unarmed us citizen or forfeit her life? any loss of life is bad but israel just shot an unarmed us citizen in the head for attending a peaceful protest. it wasn’t in a drug deal and she wasn’t gunned down by some mentally disturbed people who shouldn’t have had a gun. it was a trained israeli soldier who murdered this woman in cold blood
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 15:29:37
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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It's a war... what about all the innocents being killed in Ukraine who didnt intentionally place themselves in the middle of a warzone? Actually, what about all the innocents being killed all over the world who didn't actively and intentionally decide and CHOOSE to be in a war zone - where is the outrage for them?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 15:42:14
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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there is a war in the west bank?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 16:54:36
From: The Hierophant, [DNS_Address]
Subject: There's a hell a lot of unrest |
URL: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/07/nx-s1-5103774/israel-occupied-west-bank-palestinian-fighters-jenin |
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that could be considered warlike..since the West Bank is occupied. It certainly isn't a place that one would go vacation in.
JENIN, Israeli-occupied West Bank — Israeli forces have withdrawn from the Jenin urban refugee camp in the northern Israeli-occupied West Bank, according to Jenin’s mayor. This comes after a major military raid into Palestinian towns, as the Israeli army vows to root out militant groups.
Mayor Nidal Ebeidy said the troops left a trail of destruction, bulldozing roads under which the Israeli military says Palestinians hide improvised explosives, and destroying homes and mosques where they say militants operate from.
The operation on Jenin, Tulkarem and al-Faraa urban camps is the largest since the start of the war against Hamas in Gaza almost a year ago, and has so far killed 39 Palestinians, according to Palestinian health officials, and three Israeli police officers, according to the Israeli military.
The Israeli military said it launched the raids on Aug. 28 to root out fighters who operate within these towns to stave off an attack similar to the one on Oct. 7, when Hamas-led militants attacked Israel, killing some 1,200 people, according to Israeli officials. The attack triggered the war in Gaza which the Gaza health ministry says has killed over 40,800 Palestinians.
“The Israeli forces have destroyed 70% of infrastructure of Jenin,” Ebeidy told NPR. “It encircled the hospitals and killed civilians, and destroyed our power grid. Now we are starting to rebuild Jenin one more time.”
The heart of Palestinian armed resistance The Israeli government built the Jenin refugee camp outside Jenin city in the northern West Bank for displaced Palestinians after the 1948 war, when Israel was created. It's home to about 24,000 residents, according to the United Nations.
Like most refugee camps across the West Bank, Jenin’s began as a collection of temporary housing for Palestinians to shelter in, but over time, residents built concrete buildings, schools and shops, turning it into an urban town.
For decades Jenin has been a stronghold for many militants who say they are fighting the Israeli occupation.
enin was a flashpoint even before the Hamas attack from Gaza on Oct. 7.
It was the site of several battles during the Palestinian uprising in the early 2000s known as the Second Intifada, and while the Palestinian Authority is meant to be policing the camps, it’s really the fighters who control things around here.
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 17:07:47
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: There's a hell a lot of unrest |
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correct, there is no war in the west bank yet israel shot an unarmed american woman in the head at a protest
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 16:32:26
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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What does the West Bank have to do with the National Forum issues?
But since you're here, what say you about Trump's intent to unleash a violent 'bloody' assault on people in America. On our soil?
Doesn't that disgust you? What about that kid killing people at a school, why don't you post about that? Why do you waste our time.. all day every day.. on the same thing.. over and over.. as if you're talking to babies, why?
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Date: September 09, 2024 at 11:13:44
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justice for Ezgi: Will the US Demand Accountability? |
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"will everyone here ignore this cold blooded murder of an American citizen?"
Where in the USA did this happen? I can't find it on the map.. are you sure this is a National issue?
I don't ignore.. why do you presume I do? Because I don't act like a raving maniac? Is that it? The whole world has to join your pity party otherwise were fucked? Is that it?
Literally you spend your life posting the same thing over and over and over again and what does it get you? NOTHING! What a waste, eh? Were you really created for this? Do we really need to trash the planet so as to provide you the opportunity to do this? Really?
I'd be happy to chip in to a GoFundMe campaign for a real cause, if you could just get it together to lead one.. can you do that? Find a way to channel all that energy so it actually gets something done? If you do let us know.. I am sure a lot of folks would rally behind you..
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