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Date: August 30, 2024 at 13:27:09
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Harris flip-flops on building the border wall |
URL: Harris flip-flops on building the border wall |
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Aug 27, 2024 -
Politics & Policy
Harris flip-flops on building the border wall
Alex Thompson
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Hans Nichols
Kamala Harris talks with several people shadowed in the foreground, with
a mountain behind her.
If she's elected president, Kamala Harris pledges to spend hundreds of
millions of dollars on the wall along the southern border — a project she
once opposed and called "un-American" during the Trump administration.
Why it matters: It's the latest example of Harris flip-flopping on her past
liberal positions such as supporting Medicare for All and banning fracking
— proposals that aides say she now is against.
Harris is embracing a more hawkish immigration policy as Donald Trump's
campaign spends tens of millions of dollars attacking her about the
border.
But she still has significant differences with Trump on immigration,
opposing his approach to family separation and his plans for mass
deportations.
Driving the news: In her speech to the Democratic National Convention
last week, Harris said she would sign the recent bipartisan border security
bill — which Trump had ordered his allies to kill, fearing it would help
Democrats in the November elections.
That bill, negotiated by senators such as James Lankford (R-Okla.) and
Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), requires hundreds of millions of dollars of
unspent funds to be used to continue building a wall on the border.
"It requires the Trump border wall," Lankford told Axios. "It is in the bill
itself that it sets the standards that were set during the Trump
administration: Here's where it will be built. Here's how it has to be built,
the height, the type, everything during the Trump construction."
Harris' campaign says the border deal is a whole lot more than
continuation of wall funding — and a tiny fraction of what Trump has
proposed.
Lankford's office estimated the legislation would spend $650 million on a
wall, down from the $18 billion Trump requested in 2018.
The bill, which Murphy described as a "compromise" also included
provisions with more money for asylum lawyers and judges for the
overloaded immigration system. It also gave the president the authority to
shut down the border if more than an average of 5,000 migrants crossed
per day.
The other side: Harris advisers note that the bipartisan border proposal
didn't include any new money to continue building the wall.
It just extended the timeline to spend funds that had been appropriated
during Trump's last year as president, they say, although the legislation
has new restrictions to ensure the money is spent on barriers.
Flashback: In declaring her candidacy in her first run for president in
2019, Harris called the wall Trump's "medieval vanity project" that wasn't
going to stop transnational gangs from entering the U.S.
In February 2020, Harris wrote on Facebook that "Trump's border wall is a
complete waste of taxpayer money and won't make us any safer."
In April 2017, soon after joining the Senate, Harris said the wall was a
"stupid use of money. I will block any funding for it."
Between the lines: Lankford said he was surprised with Harris' full
embrace of the border bill this year.
He told Axios that Harris wasn't involved in the months-long negotiations:
"We never saw any vice president staff here. ... She was a Johnny-come-
never."
"I know she's talking about it now, but she wasn't talking about it at all
before."
When the bill was released, Murphy called it an "aggressive" plan but
didn't emphasize the money for the wall.
"We're creating bold new tools to get control of the border for the first
time in a long time," he said in February. "But our bill does not deviate
from our nation's core values."
President Biden — then the presumed Democratic nominee — lambasted
Trump for demanding Republicans kill the compromise, calling it pure
politics. "He feels it would be a political win for me, and a political loser
for him," Biden said in his State of the Union address.
But some Democrats also criticized Biden for embracing conservative and
restrictive policies on immigration that were included in the bill.
Sen. Alex Padilla, a Democrat from Harris' home state of California,
opposed the bill and said it "fails to provide relief for a single Dreamer, a
single farmworker, a single essential worker or long-term resident."
Zoom in: Beyond embracing the bipartisan bill, Harris' campaign has
portrayed her as an immigration hardliner in ads.
One Harris TV ad frames her time as California's attorney general as that
of a "border state prosecutor," and includes images of the border wall.
In another, Harris' team highlights her support of boosting the number of
Border Patrol agents.
Most of Trump campaign ads have attacked Harris for the Biden
administration's struggle to deal with waves of migrants crossing the
border.
The bottom line: Like the wall itself, Harris' changes on border policy
reflect how Trump has shifted the political debate on immigration during
the past decade.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:28:33
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops on building the border wall |
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so let's get this straight...you are dissing (erroneously as has been pointed out) kamala for flip-flopping after your boy has flip-flopped on how he will vote on the florida abortion amendment in 24 hours? your programmers need to tighten up their code...lol...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 13:58:18
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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Wow. This is a compromise to get money to the process,
more judges and border agents and facilities ... using
the Trump money pre-allocated for the wall.
The border agents wanted this to pass, they need help.
.......
The bill, which Murphy described as a "compromise" also
included provisions with more money for asylum lawyers
and judges for the overloaded immigration system. It
also gave the president the authority to
shut down the border if more than an average of 5,000
migrants crossed per day.
The other side:
Harris advisers note that the bipartisan border
proposal didn't include any new money to continue
building the wall.
It just extended the timeline to spend funds that had
been appropriated during Trump's last year as
president, they say, although the legislation
has new restrictions to ensure the money is spent on
barriers.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 16:42:17
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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not sure what you are going on about, but as the article said she
previously called building the wall un-american but now she supports the
border bill that failed requiring building of the wall. kind of like biden
saying not one more foot of wall would be built but then waiving some
regulations that would move construction forward
it is a compromise as kamala has moved from building a wall is un-
american to supporting a bill that would build the wall
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 17:22:00
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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programmers...please correct your code...unreliable output...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:46:02
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: please link source..thanks(NT) |
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:52:36
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please link source-in the headline-the original post(NT) |
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:06:56
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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Thanks Mitra..little preoccupied today with family stuff
to get straighten out his attempt to reframe this.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:50:40
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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It just didn't seem right for the headline to
contradict the story.
And,, you're welcome.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 14:11:34
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Harris flip-flops?- not per your post-on building the border wall |
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thanks for clarifying the bs that b-ot posted...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 13:34:00
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Winning is all that ever matters (NT) |
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 14:46:21
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters (NT) |
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yes as people here have shown her positions don’t matter as long as she
is a democrat and wins. but there are still independents out there making
their decisions
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 14:55:45
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters (NT) |
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"there are still independents out there making
their decisions"
And those independents respond more to compromise than
extreme positions.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:50:25
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: since when do you speak for a collective group called 'independents'? |
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Independents are more prone to compromise? What data do you base that claim
on?
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 16:12:05
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
URL: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx |
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Aw hell. Can't look it up yourself?
Independents Remain More Moderate Than Conservative or
Liberal
Independents' views were unchanged in 2021, with close
to half (48%) identifying as moderate, 30% as
conservative and 20% as liberal.
Independents' stance in recent years has been similar
to what it was in the 1990s and 2000s before turning a
bit more conservative during the early to mid-Obama
years.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 16:51:24
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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i think she’s saying that kamala has to sound moderate moving away from
her many progressive positions in order to get votes from
independents. what does she actually stand for? her previous progressive
positions or these middle of the road biden like positions?
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Date: August 31, 2024 at 07:23:49
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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Date: August 31, 2024 at 08:34:39
From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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Hell yeah, she does...and praise be all that's holy for it!
You can diss whatever you please about her or how you see
her current positions on crucial issues...
...but yes, WINNING is EVERYTHING right now, if we don't
want a racist religious Fascist "President"...
How does the simple logic of that escape you?
Without Kamala elected, we are so well and truly fucked, SO
beyond any context you're currently flaming from... Pretty
amazing to me that you don't see that...
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Date: August 31, 2024 at 09:39:46
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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If she doesn't win, just doesn't matter now does it.
Trump will take over, shut everything down and fracking
will be the least of your problems. And forget about
Gaza, unless you want to help invest in the new resort
there.
Yes, she cares about winning because there's so much on
the line if she doesn't.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 17:24:50
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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kamala has always been a moderate...
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Date: August 31, 2024 at 09:40:14
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: since when do you speak for a collective group called... |
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:11:02
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters |
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it seems they are largely deciding to go with the sane candidate...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:22:01
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters |
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Yesterday I was at the store. I was wearing a Harris t-
shirt from "VoteVets" (hubby's a veteran). A man stopped
me, pointed at my shirt and asked me if I really thought
she could be a "commander and chief" of our military.
I asked him, "as opposed to who? ex President bone-
spurs?. Yes, I think she will do much better than him.
My husband, with me, said a direct "yes".
He sputtered and walked away lol.
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 14:12:24
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters |
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certainly the case this election...details can be addressed later...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 15:52:24
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters |
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and the last election... and the one before that............... and the next one, and the
one after that..............................................................................
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 17:23:58
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters |
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past is over...present is what matters...only it can determine the future...
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Date: August 30, 2024 at 14:05:25
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Winning is all that ever matters ? and Compromise? |
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Reading helps. I know the headline read "flip-flop,"
but that is a misnomer when you consider the text.
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