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Date: December 14, 2024 at 15:30:23
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: expect a total overhaul of U.S. foreign and military policy

URL: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-foreign-policy-war-military/




after some introduction:

**********

How will Donald Trump and his appointees address these
and other global dangers facing the United States?

December 9, 2024
The Dangers of Trump’s Foreign Policy
Strategic incoherence and factionalism reign.

Michael T. Klare
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Donald Trump salutes as he walks to Air Force One prior
to departing from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia,
March 2, 2017.
(Saul Loeb / AFP via Getty Images)
As Donald Trump and his associates have repeatedly
stated, we can expect a total overhaul of U.S. foreign
and military policy once the new administration assumes
office in January. Rather than serve as a global leader
and the world’s policeman, they insist, the United
States will now eschew foreign entanglements and place
its own national interests above all others. As
suggested by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), Trump’s pick for
secretary of state, “responsible American foreign
policy must be based not on idealistic fantasies but on
pragmatic decisions that prioritize the core national
interests of the United States.”

As part of this epochal shift, the United States will
review all its foreign alliances—including those with
Japan, South Korea, and the NATO countries—and only
retain those which are both self-financing and directly
beneficial to U.S. security and prosperity. As part of
this shift, Ukraine will most likely be compelled to
sign a peace deal favorable to Russia to continue
receiving U.S. aid, while Israel will be provided with
even more U.S. arms than it receives at present. To
ensure docility on the part of potential adversaries,
such as China and Iran, the U.S. military will be
bolstered even beyond its current colossal strength.

Such an approach, Trump’s sycophants have told us, will
usher in a more peaceful world than that overseen by
President Biden. With the global defense of democracy
and human rights and other such “idealistic fantasies”
no longer driving U.S. policy, we will be spared from
involvement in any new “forever wars” of the sort that
have so depleted and demoralized the military. Rather,
the leaders of every foreign nation—whether ally or
former foe—will trek to Washington for an audience with
Mr. Trump, seeking the best deals they can extract from
him.

How realistic is this vision? A retreat from global
policing certainly has considerable appeal, and
economic bargaining—however harmful to the inhabitants
of countries with less to offer Trump’s billionaire
cronies—is preferable to military coercion. However,
the Trumpist foreign policy outlook is riddled with
contradictions and savage impulses, suggesting that
achieving a more peaceful world will prove much harder
than he and his allies ever imagined.

The Dangers Bequeathed by Biden

To fully appreciate the risks posed by the incoming
administration’s strategic incoherence, it is important
to first review the global leadership model favored by
the outgoing administration and the dangers it will
leave behind.

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In President Biden’s view, the United States is
ordained by its history, size, and superior values to
exercise leadership over the democratic, rules-abiding
nations of the world and to prevent, as much as
possible, the rise of authoritarian, rules-breaking
regimes. This required, in the administration’s view,
the creation of an interlocking network of U.S.-armed,
pro-Western states surrounding China, Russia, and Iran.
When elements of this network have come under attack—
whether by Russia through its February 2022 invasion of
Ukraine or by Hamas with its October 7 raid on Israel—
the administration responded with immediate military
support. While these Biden initiatives have not
resulted in significant U.S. military involvement on
the ground, there have been many close calls, and the
risk of miscalculation remains unabated.

In Ukraine, for example, the administration has allowed
the delivery of ever-more capable weapons to Ukrainian
forces and their use in attacks ever deeper into
Russian territory. In the most recent of these moves,
the administration gave Ukraine permission to employ
the U.S.-supplied Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS)
for strikes far into Russia. The Russians, in turn,
fired a nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic
missile into Ukraine, demonstrating a capacity to
devastate Ukraine and its NATO backers with nuclear
munitions. Russian President Vladimir Putin also used
this occasion to announce a shift in Russia’s nuclear
weapons policy, allowing for the use of such munitions
against states that aid a Russian adversary, such as
Ukraine.

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In the Middle East, President Biden has authorized far
greater military involvement than most Americans
realize. In addition to the forces already based in
Syria (supposedly to prevent the regeneration of ISIS)
and the Persian Gulf area (to ensure the uninterrupted
flow of Persian Gulf oil), Biden has ordered the
deployment of an aircraft carrier battle group in the
region along with additional submarines, missile
destroyers, and fighter squadrons. As in the case of
Ukraine, these moves have not yet resulted in direct
U.S. military involvement (except for helping to defend
Israel against Iranian missile strikes), but the risk
of such engagement is bound to grow if the U.S. joins
Israel in conducting a new round of air strikes on Iran
or intervenes more directly in the internal strife in
Syria.

Although President Biden stated on December 8 that the
fall of longtime Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad was a
“fundamental act of justice” after decades of
repression, he also noted that it represented “a moment
of risk and uncertainty” for the Mideast and affirmed
that the US would support the region “should any threat
arrive from Syria during this period of transition.” As
if to highlight this threat, the US Central Command
announced that it had conducted airstrikes against 75
Islamic State encampments in central Syria, with
warnings of additional strikes to come.

In Asia, the Biden administration has worked
methodically to establish a chain of U.S.-backed states
surrounding China with the explicit goal of curtailing
China’s economic, technological, and military rise. In
consonance with policies first devised by Mike Pompeo
while serving as secretary of state during Trump’s
first tenure as president, it has signaled strong
support for Taiwan in its efforts to prevent an armed
takeover by Beijing. To demonstrate Washington’s intent
to fight China should such an assault occur, the
administration has stepped up U.S. air and naval
patrols in the Taiwan Strait and nearby areas—moves
that have prompted similar military maneuvers by China
and increased the risk of a full-scale conflict.

The Trumpian Foreign Policy Makeover

The question now arises: How will Donald Trump and his
appointees address these and other global dangers
facing the United States?

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There is no easy answer to this question, as Mr. Trump
did not discuss foreign policy at length during the
campaign—except on the topic of tariffs on imported
goods, which he has promised to increase—and his staff
and associates often issue contradictory statements.

We do know that he intends to abandon the global
leadership role espoused by President Biden and to
reassess U.S. military ties with NATO countries and
other key allies, especially Ukraine. On these matters,
most key figures in Trump’s circle agree. But on other
issues and in the implementation of these core
objectives, there is a considerable disparity of views.
Some of Trump’s appointees are likely to prioritize
America’s economic interests (and especially those of
Trump’s billionaire cronies), while others, of a more
ideological streak, are likely to favor a tough stance
on China and Iran.

The first group—call them the pragmatists—seek a
business-friendly, transactional world in which U.S.
corporations will prosper and America’s top
competitors, especially China, will fall behind. The
second group—call them the ideologues—care less about
wealth-building and more about mauling America’s
enemies. These two camps are likely to clash over
critical international issues, creating a policy
turbulence that will determine whether Trump’s promise
of peace will ever materialize or if the unresolved
conflicts of the Biden era (or any new ones that might
arise) will spiral out of control.

The first such upheaval is likely to occur over the war
in Ukraine. Trump has pledged to “settle” the war
before he has been inaugurated, without explaining how,
while his running mate, JD Vance, has proposed a peace
agreement that would give Russia control over
approximately one-fifth of Ukrainian territory and deny
Ukraine membership in NATO—an apparent win for Russian
President Vladimir Putin. Both Vance and Keith Kellogg,
Trump’s choice as special envoy to Ukraine and Russia,
have also suggested that U.S. aid to Ukraine be
curtailed or terminated if Ukrainian President
Volodymyr Zelensky refuses to accept this outcome.

For many in Europe, Russia, and Ukraine itself, such an
outcome might seem preferable to the daily loss of life
and material destruction now occurring in the war zone.
But several vital questions arise about this scenario.
If Russia emerges from the war with a revitalized war
machine and if Ukraine is refused entry into NATO and
denied adequate arms aid (or other such “security
guarantees”) in the years to come, there will be little
to prevent Moscow from resuming its drive to absorb the
bulk of Ukrainian territory at some future date,
causing even greater turmoil and devastation. Nor will
NATO’s European members be safe from future Russian
probes and provocations—a danger that would prove even
more acute if Trump dilutes or terminates U.S.
participation in NATO.

A weakened NATO and a reinvigorated Russia would also
prove a boon to China, undercutting the efforts of
Marco Rubio and other “China hawks” in the new
administration to isolate and enfeeble that country.
How these contending impulses play out will determine
whether a cease-fire agreement, when and if adopted,
will promote stability in Europe or result in greater
tension and conflict.

Middle East Challenges

The conflicts in the Middle East will prove another
immediate and formidable challenge for the incoming
administration. During the campaign, Trump vowed,
“You’re going to have peace in the Middle East” once he
assumed the presidency. But achieving peace in that
region could prove very difficult. Many in his circle
favor giving Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
a free hand to decimate what is left of Gaza and to
claim sovereignty over the West Bank—a move certain to
provoke continuing violence in both areas. This could
also jeopardize Trump’s long-stated wish to arrange a
diplomatic rapprochement between Israel and Saudi
Arabia, which has vowed to abjure any such outcome
unless it allows for the establishment of a Palestinian
state.

The pro-Israel ideologues are also certain to call for
unrestrained attacks on Iran should it undertake a new
round of missile strikes at Israel. (Iran’s senior
leaders have pledged retaliation for Israel’s October
26 air attacks on Iranian military facilities, but have
not indicated when that might occur.) Any new Iranian
missile barrage would almost certainly prompt Israel to
mount a fresh round of attacks on Iran, this time
targeting oil and nuclear facilities that were exempted
from attack on October 26, largely in response to
pressure from the Biden administration. (“That’s the
craziest thing I’ve ever heard,” Trump said of the
decision to exempt those facilities.)

An unrestrained attack of this sort would no doubt
prompt Tehran to launch yet more missile barrages at
Israel and/or to accelerate its efforts to manufacture
a functioning nuclear weapon. (The Iranians are thought
capable of enriching enough uranium for such a bomb in
just a few months, should a decision be made to do so.)
Either move could prompt direct U.S. military
involvement, including extensive engagement with
Iranian forces.

Will Trump try to avert such an outcome (which might
well result in another “forever war” of the type he has
pledged to avoid), or will he bend to pressure from the
pro-Israel ideologues and approve a joint U.S.-Israeli
drive to demolish Iran’s nuclear capabilities? While
the president-elect appears sympathetic to such drastic
action, he is also likely to face counter-pressures
from those among his appointees who seek increased U.S.
ties with (and investments in) Saudi Arabia and the
other Gulf monarchies—endeavors that would likely be
stymied by another Middle Eastern war. Which of these
contending views ultimately prevails will, to a large
degree, determine whether Trump succeeds in bringing
peace to the region or presides over ever-increasing
levels of violence.

Navigating the Inconsistencies

What is true of the Trump administration’s likely moves
on Ukraine, the Middle East, and China is also true of
most other U.S. overseas relations: While the president
may exude unity of purpose, those around him are
divided into contending factions, ensuring
unpredictable and often incoherent outcomes. In such an
environment, rash and inflammatory moves are to be
expected, with unforeseen and possibly catastrophic
consequences.

How might antiwar, human rights, climate action, and
other progressive movements address this situation?
Direct pressure on the Trump administration at this
stage appears to have little prospect of inducing
change. Mr. Trump believes he has won an incontestable
mandate to govern as he sees fit, and is unlikely to be
swayed by appeals or protests coming from his
opponents. Consequently, other strategies will be
needed to effect meaningful change in this critical
area.

Based on this brief analysis, it would appear that the
greatest obstacle to the full enactment of Trump’s
agenda comes not from Democrats or the Left, but rather
from divisions within his own ruling circle. Those of
us on the outside cannot play a direct role in these
internal disputes, but we can seek to exploit them when
advantageous to do so. None of us, for example, are
likely to benefit from increased U.S. economic ties
with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates; yet if
achieving such an outcome will increase the prospects
for a Palestinian state and reduce the risk of a new
war in the Middle East, we might support such efforts
where appropriate. Likewise, none of us probably sells
cars in China or is a major corporate beneficiary of
U.S.-China trade; yet again, we should do what we can
to advocate mutually beneficial trade relations with
China and highlight the economic risks of a U.S.-China
war. The same approach can be applied to other foreign
policy issues.

Donald Trump may appear all-powerful, and he certainly
holds a lot of powerful cards. But his rule—like that
of other potentates over the ages—will be characterized
by debilitating internal disputes among his power-
seeking cronies. We should become intense students of
these disputes and seek opportunities to make progress
within them.

""""*****

Seek opportunities??


Responses:
[56722] [56703] [56704] [56707] [56723] [56733] [56705] [56706]


56722


Date: December 16, 2024 at 17:34:58
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: expect a total overhaul of U.S. foreign and military policy


we have been losing face in the biden years. trump
can't do any worse. we are in wwIII so we need knew
thoughts on the war. we will be trying to recover from
the earthquakes anyway.


Responses:
None


56703


Date: December 14, 2024 at 16:22:17
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: yes, Biden has primed the pump for a continuous flow of war & treasure


reposting excerpt:

"The Dangers Bequeathed by Biden

To fully appreciate the risks posed by the incoming administration’s strategic
incoherence, it is important to first review the global leadership model favored
by the outgoing administration and the dangers it will leave behind.

In President Biden’s view, the United States is ordained by its history, size, and
superior values to exercise leadership over the democratic, rules-abiding
nations of the world and to prevent, as much as possible, the rise of
authoritarian, rules-breaking regimes. This required, in the administration’s
view, the creation of an interlocking network of U.S.-armed, pro-Western states
surrounding China, Russia, and Iran. When elements of this network have come
under attack—whether by Russia through its February 2022 invasion of Ukraine
or by Hamas with its October 7 raid on Israel—the administration responded
with immediate military support. While these Biden initiatives have not resulted
in significant U.S. military involvement on the ground, there have been many
close calls, and the risk of miscalculation remains unabated.

In Ukraine, for example, the administration has allowed the delivery of ever-
more capable weapons to Ukrainian forces and their use in attacks ever deeper
into Russian territory. In the most recent of these moves, the administration
gave Ukraine permission to employ the U.S.-supplied Army Tactical Missile
System (ATACMS) for strikes far into Russia. The Russians, in turn, fired a
nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile into Ukraine,
demonstrating a capacity to devastate Ukraine and its NATO backers with
nuclear munitions. Russian President Vladimir Putin also used this occasion to
announce a shift in Russia’s nuclear weapons policy, allowing for the use of
such munitions against states that aid a Russian adversary, such as Ukraine.

In the Middle East, President Biden has authorized far greater military
involvement than most Americans realize. In addition to the forces already
based in Syria (supposedly to prevent the regeneration of ISIS) and the Persian
Gulf area (to ensure the uninterrupted flow of Persian Gulf oil), Biden has
ordered the deployment of an aircraft carrier battle group in the region along
with additional submarines, missile destroyers, and fighter squadrons. As in the
case of Ukraine, these moves have not yet resulted in direct U.S. military
involvement (except for helping to defend Israel against Iranian missile strikes),
but the risk of such engagement is bound to grow if the U.S. joins Israel in
conducting a new round of air strikes on Iran or intervenes more directly in the
internal strife in Syria.

Although President Biden stated on December 8 that the fall of longtime Syrian
dictator Bashar al-Assad was a “fundamental act of justice” after decades of
repression, he also noted that it represented “a moment of risk and uncertainty”
for the Mideast and affirmed that the US would support the region “should any
threat arrive from Syria during this period of transition.” As if to highlight this
threat, the US Central Command announced that it had conducted airstrikes
against 75 Islamic State encampments in central Syria, with warnings of
additional strikes to come.


In Asia, the Biden administration has worked methodically to establish a chain
of U.S.-backed states surrounding China with the explicit goal of curtailing
China’s economic, technological, and military rise. In consonance with policies
first devised by Mike Pompeo while serving as secretary of state during Trump’s
first tenure as president, it has signaled strong support for Taiwan in its efforts
to prevent an armed takeover by Beijing. To demonstrate Washington’s intent to
fight China should such an assault occur, the administration has stepped up
U.S. air and naval patrols in the Taiwan Strait and nearby areas—moves that
have prompted similar military maneuvers by China and increased the risk of a
full-scale conflict.

The Trumpian Foreign Policy Makeover

The question now arises: How will Donald Trump and his appointees address
these and other global dangers facing the United States?"


Responses:
[56704] [56707] [56723] [56733] [56705] [56706]


56704


Date: December 14, 2024 at 19:43:55
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yes, Biden has primed the pump for a continuous flow of war &...




Yes, Biden "bequeathed" complications, no less than
what had been "bequeathed" to him... and the previous
presidents, each in their turn.

Don't you think the demonization of Biden is a curious
bend in the history of the Middle East, so bereft of
those who appear to care for so many in need ?? Looking
for demons there one must take care not to trip over
the piles in the streets.




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[56707] [56723] [56733] [56705] [56706]


56707


Date: December 15, 2024 at 10:46:06
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yes, Biden has primed the pump for a continuous flow of war &...


"Looking for demons there one must take care not to trip over the piles in the streets"

I don't think she cares as much as she loves wallowing in it.


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[56723] [56733]


56723


Date: December 16, 2024 at 17:36:34
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: TROLLING nt


nt


Responses:
[56733]


56733


Date: December 18, 2024 at 11:58:13
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: TROLLING nt


Stick to your fairytales Charlie.


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None


56705


Date: December 14, 2024 at 23:06:34
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yes, Biden has primed the pump for a continuous flow of war &...


big piles...


Responses:
[56706]


56706


Date: December 15, 2024 at 10:04:08
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: yes, Biden has primed the pump for a continuous flow of war &...




Yes. That, too.


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