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Date: September 16, 2024 at 12:44:44
From: Joe, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftuEVNdEVAs |
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Putin's state visit to Mongolia this month including
meetings with shamans to get their blessing for the use
of nuclear weapons, according to a report.
In an article for German publication Der Speigel,
independent Russian journalist Mikhail Zygar said there
were rumors from Kremlin sources about why the Russian
president would visit a country not considered high on
Moscow's list of geopolitical priorities.
"In Moscow, a rumor is now circulating that Putin needs
the blessing of shamans for the use of nuclear weapons.
Without their consent, he could not dare to take such a
serious step for fear of upsetting the spirits. And he
reportedly returned from Mongolia satisfied."
One of Putin's former speechwriters, Abbas Gallyamov,
said that he had heard rumors about Putin's links to
shamans and that as well as "receiving a blessing for
the use of nuclear weapons ['weapons of the gods'],
Putin was also interested in the issue of his own
longevity, as well as reincarnation."
Wouldn't it be better if he wasn't satisfied?
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 11:17:56
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings ??? or... |
URL: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-03/why-is-putin-in-mongolia/104303112 |
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Thank you for the article.
But it appears to me to be a "cover" story. Primarily
because Putin is so famously Russian Orthodox, and
travels regularly to an Orthodox Patriarch for advice.
Of course that Patriarch is close to Finland, as
Mongolia is to China.
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But a key point of discussion will no doubt be the
Power of Siberia 2 pipeline that will carry Russian gas
to China through Mongolia, and is seen as crucial to
compensate for the losses incurred by Russia's
isolation from its European customers.
Moscow and Beijing are reportedly in disagreement over
how much China will pay for the gas, while the South
China Morning Post reported the project was left off
Mongolia's most recent action program.
Discussions about a Russian company upgrading
Mongolia's Soviet-era No. 3 power plant are also
expected to be on the agenda.
"The main goal of this visit is to perform the regular
performance of joint friendly relations, but everything
else is secondary," Munkhnaran says.
"Russia is going to get the contract to build a power
plant in Ulaanbaatar, we're going to get an agreement
that promises us a secure supply of fuel [and]
petroleum products, and that's more or less it."
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 16:35:32
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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not surprising, the world is as close to nuclear war as it has been since the
cuban missile crisis
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:54:19
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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and there you go, picking up the talking points.
If frightening people because "insane criminals are
coming to eat your dogs" unless you vote for me doesn't
work, then go to that old trope of "WWII if you don't
vote for me!" which is what Putin's already pushing.
Fear Fear Fear
Fuck that.
And don't think we can't see what you're doing there
with the propaganda.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 21:50:48
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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stop with the dumbass trolling already, you look like a fool. it is still an
open question if the us will allow ukraine to strike deep into russia and
putin has already threatened retaliation including the possible use of
nuclear weapons. putin brought the use of nuclear weapons up on his
recent visit as joe posted in this thread
no talking points, no propaganda, no fear tactics. our relationship with
another nuclear power hasn’t been this tense since the cuban missile
crisis and if we provide those long range weapons and the go ahead to
attack deep inside russia it will be a hell of a lot worse
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 11:04:05
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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It's not trolling just because you don't like the
pushback on the sick stuff you're pushing on these
boards.
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 11:30:32
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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it’s trolling the way you obsessively respond to me over and over
making things personal while trying to distract from what i post. your
obsessive trolling/stalking of me is a perfect example of the divisiveness
that is currently destroying our nation
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 11:53:14
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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I can't help you, OT. When everything looks like
trolling to you, maybe you should look at yourself.
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 12:28:32
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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it's like rump blaming the dims for the increasing political violence...a chip off the ol' block...
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 22:16:54
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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he's been bringing up the use of nukes for 20 years ...
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 23:28:00
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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but there hasn’t been a war over the past 20 years where the potus has
considered providing any nation with us built and funded weapons to
strike deep inside russia, until now. that is why the situation is different.
maybe you’ve missed that world event while focusing on petty politics
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 00:44:14
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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apparently he doesn't need a war to threaten using nukes...but sure, the situation is different, cuz it is a new day...i miss a lot of things because i am focused on more important things...things i can do something about...
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 01:43:44
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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“i miss a lot of things because i am focused on more important things”
that’s obvious, but perhaps it might be better to resist the urge to
respond about the things you haven’t been focusing on and have no clue
about. it would also do you good to get away from the tv talking heads and
read a variety of news
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 10:42:53
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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maybe you should spend less time telling me what to do and focus on your own evolution...lol...
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 11:02:36
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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maybe you should spend less time focusing on me and work on informing
yourself. those damn tv talking heads say things you like to hear but they
sure as hell don’t inform you, that’s very obvious
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Date: September 17, 2024 at 10:24:20
From: shadow , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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You missed the most important part of what ryan said
there, old timer...
You've misquoted him. He didn't say, "I miss a lot of
things because i am focused on more important things" --
but we know you cut off the rest of his sentence, so that
you could spin it to appear as if Ryan thinks "so many
other things are more important than this crisis," and as
if he "doesn't have a clue about it," and as if he hasn't
accessed the *right* news source so as to be dialed into
the bigger picture of things. As per your nonsense spin.
Not even a good try, pal.
He said, "i miss a lot of things because i am focused on
more important things...things i can do something
about"...
Read that again, would you? And not just you, maybe akira
too? You reading this? This little key phrase: "...things
I can do something about." Everything pivots upon it.
Believe it or not...some of us have lived long enough to
real-ize how crucial it is to *choose one's "battles"*
carefully........ Speaking only for myself, of course, I
find that living nearly 68 years as an humanitarianly-
oriented empath with serious health issues, if I want to
continue in this body awhile longer I have no choice now
but to focus solely upon *things I can do something
about,* and praise be to all that's holy, my spiritual
reality is strong enough to trust The Divine, and the
souls of All Life, that all is working together for the
highest good of All, regardless of how chaotic and
hellish things may appear *in process*..........
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:20:19
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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You're creating that reality OT.. keep it up and it'll come true. It's on you.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:39:22
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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ok question, when you attack and troll people here is that your way of
creating your own reality? you somehow think if you can drive away
anyone who doesn’t agree with you that your vision of reality will become
real?
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:55:21
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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what you just did OT was a fear trolling "Vote for
Trump...or else" fear bully tactic.
look in the mirror dude.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 17:36:16
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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about the same imo...you're just rattling the cage and pushing fear propaganda...
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 19:08:54
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: From Allies and Advisers, Pressure Grows on Biden to Allow Attacks on |
URL: From Allies and Advisers, Pressure Grows on Biden to Allow Attacks on Russian Territory |
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your tv talking heads don’t keep you informed, do they?
From Allies and Advisers, Pressure Grows on Biden to Allow Attacks on
Russian Territory
President Biden is weighing fears of escalation with a nuclear-armed
adversary as he considers whether to let Ukraine shoot American
weapons into Russia.
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Heavy smoke from a strike on industrial buildings in Kharkiv, Ukraine,
earlier this month. President Biden is under increasing pressure to allow
Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied arms to attack Russian territory.
Credit...Finbarr O'Reilly for The New York Times
David E. Sanger
By David E. Sanger
David E. Sanger has reported on superpower confrontations and strategy
for three decades as a national security correspondent in Washington.
May 29, 2024
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President Biden is edging toward what may prove to be one of his most
consequential decisions in the Ukraine war: whether to reverse his ban on
shooting American weapons into Russian territory.
He has long resisted authorizing Ukraine to use U.S. weapons inside
Russia because of concern it could escalate into a direct American
confrontation with a nuclear-armed adversary.
Now, after months of complaints about the restrictions from Ukraine’s
president, Volodymyr Zelensky, the White House has begun a formal —
and apparently rapid — reassessment of whether to take the risk.
Approving further uses of U.S. weapons would give Kyiv a way to conduct
counterattacks on artillery and missile sites that now enjoy something of a
safe haven just inside Russia.
On Wednesday, in Moldova, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken became
the first administration official to publicly leave open the possibility that
the Biden administration might “adapt and adjust” its stance about
attacking inside Russia with American weapons, based on changing
battlefield conditions.
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“We’re always making determinations about what’s necessary to make
sure that Ukraine can effectively continue to defend itself,” Mr. Blinken
said.
His statement was the latest amid a drumbeat of calls for a shift, from
allies and from within Mr. Biden’s administration. Mr. Blinken, who
returned from a sobering trip to Kyiv earlier this month, reported to the
president that the Ukrainians might not be able to hold the territory
between Kharkiv and the Russian border unless Mr. Biden reversed
himself. That earlier warning was conveyed privately, in keeping with Mr.
Biden’s deep aversion to letting debates among his inner circle leak out
and create pressure on him to shift strategy.
Even before Mr. Blinken spoke publicly on Wednesday, Mr. Biden was
coming under enormous pressure from his allies. The usually cautious
outgoing leader of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, told The Economist in an
interview published late last week that Ukraine’s losses of territory near
Kharkiv could only be countered if Ukraine was free to take out artillery
and missile launchers and command posts on the Russian side of the
border.
“To deny Ukraine the possibility of using these weapons against
legitimate military targets on Russian territory makes it very hard for them
to defend themselves,” Mr. Stoltenberg said. On Tuesday, the leaders of
France and Germany joined that chorus. Britain already allows its weapons
to be fired at military targets inside Russia.
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So far Mr. Biden himself has remained silent, as he often does when faced
with a major policy decision that is the subject of complex debate within
the White House. His national security aides are running what one called
“a very brisk process” to make a formal recommendation to the president,
knowing that momentum in the war has been shifting to Russia.
Some of his advisers — refusing to speak on the record about a debate
inside the White House — say they believe a reversal of his position is
inevitable. But if the president does change his view, it will most likely
come with severe restrictions on how the Ukrainians could use American-
provided arms, limiting them to military targets, just inside Russia’s
borders, that are involved in attacks on Ukraine.
Mr. Biden would likely retain the ban on using U.S. weapons to strike deep
inside Russian territory, or at critical infrastructure. On that point he has
some allied support: Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany has refused to
provide Ukraine with the German “Taurus” long-range missile system, for
fear it could reach Moscow.
Mr. Biden does not have much time. In two weeks, he begins a month of
intensive face-to-face meetings with his key allies, first at the 80th
anniversary of D-Day, then at a meeting of the G7 nations and finally at a
celebration, in Washington, of the creation of NATO 75 years ago. At all of
these appearances, projecting unity will be critical.
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But if Mr. Biden reverses course, officials concede he most likely will
never announce it: Instead, American artillery shells and missiles will just
start landing on Russian military targets.
Mr. Biden’s two mandates in the war — don’t let Russia win and don’t risk
starting World War III — have always been in tension with each other. But
in the 27 months since Russia’s invasion, the need to choose between the
possibility of Ukrainian defeat and direct involvement in attacks on the
territory of a nuclear superpower has never been as stark.
The Kremlin, eager to make the choice harder, has leaned heavily into the
narrative that the president is risking escalation. Last week, it ran a series
of exercises over how to move and use its large arsenal of tactical nuclear
weapons.
After Mr. Stoltenberg’s statement to The Economist, the Kremlin’s top
spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said that “NATO is flirting with military
rhetoric and falling into military ecstasy,” and that the Russian military
knew how to respond. Asked if the Western alliance was nearing a direct
confrontation with Russia, he said: “They are not getting close; they are in
it.”
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American officials are increasingly dismissing such warnings as empty.
Russia, they note, has never taken the risk of attacking the supply of
weapons to Ukraine in Poland or elsewhere in NATO territory. President
Vladimir V. Putin has done everything he could to avoid direct conflict with
the Western alliance, even while showing off his nuclear capabilities or
warning, as Mr. Peskov does regularly, that the West was risking turning a
regional conflict into World War III.
“Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to keep Biden from letting U.S.
weapons be used to counterattack,” Joseph S. Nye, a former American
military official and leader of the National Intelligence Council, said on
Tuesday. Mr. Nye, an emeritus professor at Harvard, noted that “what you
have happening is a nuclear bargaining game, and a credibility game.”
“Putin has higher stakes in this one, and he will push hard to make Biden
swerve first,” he added.
That has been true since the first days of the war, when Mr. Putin ordered
nuclear forces to be placed on alert, in an effort to keep NATO from
helping Ukraine after the invasion. But after repeated threats from Mr.
Putin that he might make use of nuclear weapons, Mr. Biden’s aides seem
less and less impressed by the Russian president’s declarations.
Seth G. Jones, a former U.S. military official who leads the international
security program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in
Washington, said that after a recent trip to Kyiv he concluded that
“worries about Ukraine using U.S. weapons to strike war-related targets
on Russian territory are misplaced.”
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“Ukraine has a legitimate military need to weaken Russia’s ability to wage
war,” he said, including striking its oil production facilities and power
plants. “The United States did the same thing in Germany and Japan
during World War II.”
Mr. Jones added that fears about Russian escalation were “overblown.”
“There has not been blowback against other NATO countries, such as the
U.K., whose weapons Ukraine is using to strike targets in Russia,” he said.
“And Putin’s threats of escalations since the war began have been hollow.”
But there remains considerable unease inside the Biden administration
over the possibility of nuclear escalation. One senior administration
official said that Washington had conveyed concern to Mr. Zelensky’s
government about strikes against nuclear early-warning radar systems
inside Russia in recent weeks.
To conduct the attacks, the Ukrainians used locally produced drones and
missiles. But American officials voiced concerns that Moscow could
misperceive Western intentions, and told Ukraine they consider the
maintenance of early-warning systems to be critical to nuclear stability.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 16:00:48
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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i think what he said was "i would like your blessings...or i will cut your nuts off..."
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 20:52:01
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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probably something like that, or he just made the whole
thing up. Not sure you know about Putin..but sometimes
he lies a little to scare people.
Reminds me of someone...orange.
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Date: September 16, 2024 at 15:17:03
From: shadow, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Putin asks Mongolian shamans their blessings in his war e |
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No human being who's an *actual* shaman by definition would
condone nuclear weapon usage...end of...
Dunno what's being finagled there, but...it ain't that! lol
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