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Date: September 07, 2024 at 18:07:14
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Zelensky in Germany

URL: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/zelenskyy-meets-top-military-leaders-germany-us-announces-113449339


no German flag in sight


Zelenskyy meets top military leaders in Germany as the US announces more
aid

Ukraine's president has told U.S. and allied military leaders meeting in
Germany that his country needs the ability to strike deep within Russia now
ByTARA COPP Associated Press
September 6, 2024

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RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany -- Ukraine needs the ability to strike deep
within Russia now, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told U.S. and allied
military leaders Friday as Kyiv more fervently pressed the West to loosen
weapons use restrictions and allow it to target Russian air bases and launch
sites far from the border.

Zelenskyy made the case during an in-person meeting of the Ukraine
Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Germany. He appeared to
make inroads with some of the defense leaders from the 50-plus partner
nations who regularly gather to coordinate weapons aid for the war.

But he did not appear to sway the ally he needs most. After the talks, U.S.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin pushed back on the idea that long-range
strikes would be a game-changer.

“I don’t believe one capability is going to be decisive and I stand by that
comment,” Austin said. The Ukrainians have other means to strike long-range
targets, he said.

Zelenskyy's request comes after a series of recent deadly Russian airstrikes,
including against a Ukrainian military training center that killed more than 50
and wounded hundreds this week. On Friday, the Kremlin fired five ballistic
missiles at the city of Pavlohrad in the eastern Dnipropetrovsk region, injuring
at least 50 people, regional Gov. Serhii Lysak said.

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“We need to have this long-range capability, not only on the divided territory
of Ukraine, but also on the Russian territory, so that Russia is motivated to
seek peace,” Zelenskyy said. “We need to make Russian cities and even
Russian soldiers think about what they need: peace or Putin.”

The question remained whether Zelenskyy could convince President Joe
Biden that the U.S. should ease its restrictions as well. While Biden has
allowed Ukraine to fire U.S.-provided missiles into Russia in self-defense, the
distance has been largely limited to cross-border targets deemed a direct
threat, out of concerns about further escalating the conflict.

At the meeting Friday, multiple countries seemed to be persuaded that
Ukraine should get the green light, which could add pressure on the Biden
administration.

“Many countries (are) in favor,” said Laurynas Kasčiūnas, Lithuania's defense
minister. “Many, many. But the question is not the number of countries, but
countries who give (those) missiles.”

By announcing Lithuania's support, Kasčiūnas said, “I hope it will help to
convince other countries.”


Canada's defense minister, Bill Blair, said he hopes other Western allies also
get behind the push. Canada does not have long-range munitions it could
provide on its own, Blair said.

“One of the things President Zelenskyy and his ministers have made very
clear to us is that they are suffering significant attacks from air bases and
military installations located within Russia,” Blair said. “We support their
request for permission, but it's still a decision of our allies.”

Ukraine is now in the midst of its first offensive operations of the war while
facing a significant threat from Russian forces near a key hub in the Donbas,
and Kyiv is seeing that its time is running short to shore up ongoing military
support before the U.S. presidential election in November.

Zelenskyy said Ukraine's surprise assault inside Russia’s Kursk region has
led to the capture of about 1,300 square kilometers (500 square miles) of
Russian territory and killed or injured about 6,000 Russian soldiers. But it has
not drawn away President Vladimir Putin’s focus from taking the Ukrainian
city of Pokrovsk, which provides critical rail and supply links for the Ukrainian
army. Losing Pokrovsk could put additional Ukrainian cities at risk.

While Kursk has put Russia on the defensive, “we know Putin’s malice runs
deep,” and Moscow is pressing on, especially around Pokrovsk, Austin said.

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The Pentagon chief said the U.S. will provide $250 million more in weapons
to Ukraine, including air defense munitions and artillery.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken in a statement said that the new package
would comprise “urgently needed weapons and equipment” and include "air
defense missiles and support, munitions for rocket systems and artillery,
anti-tank weapons, and Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles and other armored
vehicles."

“This assistance will be deployed as quickly as possible to bolster Ukraine’s
defense of its territory and its people,” Blinken said.

Zelenskyy, however, said promised weapons systems have been too slow to
arrive.

“The number of air defense systems that have not yet been delivered is
significant,” he said.

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German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said those systems, particularly
Patriot air defense systems, need to be in Ukraine's hands so it can defend
its electrical grid and infrastructure during winter fighting.

As well as resources for air defense and artillery, the meeting aimed to focus
on shoring up gains in expanding Ukraine’s own defense industrial base so it
could be on more solid footing as Biden's term winds down.

Western partner nations are working with Ukraine to source a substitute
missile for its Soviet-era S-300 air defense systems, Austin said.

The U.S. is also focused on resourcing a variety of air-to-ground missiles that
the newly delivered F-16 fighter jets can carry, including the Joint Air-to-
Surface Standoff Missile, which could give Ukraine a longer-range cruise
missile option, said Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon’s top weapons buyer, who
spoke to reporters traveling with Austin.

No decisions on the munition have been made, LaPlante said, noting that
policymakers would still have to decide whether to give Ukraine the longer-
range capability.

“I would just put JASSM in that category, it’s something that is always being
looked at,” LaPlante said. “Anything that’s an air-to-ground weapon is always
being looked at.”

For the past two years, members of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group have
met to resource Ukraine’s artillery and air defense needs, ranging from
hundreds of millions of rounds of small arms ammunition to some of the
West’s most sophisticated air defense systems, and now fighter jets. The
request this month was more of the same, but it came in person from
Zelenskyy.

Since 2022, the member nations together have provided about $106 billion in
security assistance to Ukraine. The U.S. has provided more than $56 billion
of that total.

The German government said Chancellor Olaf Scholz planned to meet
Zelenskyy in Frankfurt later Friday.


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Date: September 07, 2024 at 18:17:44
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Lindsey Graham.. in his own words

URL: https://x.com/narrative_hole/status/1832369515419857324


Lindsey Graham reveals that America is after Ukraine’s trillion dollar mineral
reserves

"you're trying to stop the Russians so we don't have to fight them... they're
(Ukraine) sitting on a trillion dollars worth of minerals that could be good to
our economy"


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Date: September 07, 2024 at 18:38:24
From: Rodney Boulderfield , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lindsey Graham.. in his own words


That's a $Trillion $cash value, not profit. Even if
immediately exploited, it doesn't even wiggle the debt
meter. Must be a special-er interest being served
here. Or maybe Graham just can't do the math.


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Date: September 07, 2024 at 21:47:12
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lindsey Graham.. in his own (insufficient) words

URL: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anadarko_Basin




Graham can't do the math.

1. Putin buds with Xi. Brothers. Contracts.
2. Xi propping up Russia in war with Ukraine. Why?
3. China's road to Donbas. So convenient.
4. Putin promise to supply China? How?
5. Donbas with estimated as much minerals as the
Anadarko basin. Please note, this is not trivial -- the
following is after 100 years of drilling, etc. in the
Anadarko:

Oil:
(In 2010, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated that the
Anadarko Basin held 495 million barrels of oil.[4] In
2019, IHS Markit estimated that unconventional
reservoirs in unrisked technically recoverable
resources of the basin account for 16 billion barrels)

Natural Gas:
(The basin holds one of the most prolific natural gas
reserves in North America, with ultimate gas production
in excess of 100 trillion cubic feet (2,800 km3) of
gas.[3] In 2010, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated
that the Anadarko Basin held 27.5 trillion cubic feet
of natural gas and 410 million barrels of natural gas
liquids (NGL).[4] An IHS Markit's report estimated more
than 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the
basin.

Rare earth minerals
(Expected to be a huge reservoir, but have seen no
numbers.)

Worth waaaaaay more than a trillion $$. Probably
sounded like a big number to Lindsey!)

6. China currently running 600+ illegal ships for oil
around the world. Expensive. Dangerous.
7. Putin is late on delivery. Ukraine was expected to
fall in days or weeks. (Big brother spank?)

If Trump wins the election, he hands the Donbas over to
his buds. That's worth a few billion in propaganda for
Hamas and maybe Netanyahu (sure appears they are
working together to kill Palestinians and sink Biden)
and for the so-called Evangelicals and the NRA, and G-d
knows who else. As long as Trump wins, Xi is happy and
the warlords continue with their feudal plans, not to
mention Trump Gaza. Okay, I did.

On the other hand, if Russia quits and China doesn't
step up, we (the amorphous West) will have the
expertise (Europe) and the energy (Donbas) and the
military (NATO+ added countries) to dominate Europe,
the Middle East and power Africa's proper entrance into
the *free market*.

LOL, that last bit is hilarious. Free market. Ha!!!

But unless China plays along and is taken care of, it
will bite back ala Japan, who entered into a war they
were certain to lose rather than assimilate willingly.
Revenge doesn't set well on the future. China is
preparing for eventualities, either war soon, 200
million extra men (!) or later, no more one child
policy! in 20 years another war, and tomorrow the
world.

Or, I could be wrong.
;)


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Date: September 07, 2024 at 23:22:15
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lindsey Graham.. in his own (insufficient) words


math major i see...


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Date: September 08, 2024 at 00:02:26
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Lindsey Graham.. in his own (insufficient) words




It's fuzzy math, lol.


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