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Date: June 02, 2024 at 03:11:25
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: there's a lot of manufactured confusion around ceasefire proposals..

URL: https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1797120560444428631


Mehdi Hasan@mehdirhasan
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Ryan Grim (Intercept):

1/ There is a lot of manufactured confusion around these ceasefire proposals,
but what happened is fairly simple:

On 5/29, Israel’s war cabinet approved an offer for a ceasefire that was
transmitted to Hamas. Netanyahu only agreed to it under extreme pressure,
and over the opposition of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, who are not in the war
cabinet.

On 5/30, Hamas rejected it, saying no to talks unless Israel stopped its
assault. Here’s their statement:... (see link)

On 5/31, Biden grabbed the Israeli proposal, which Netanyahu had been
happy to see rejected by Hamas, and made it fully public, cleverly but
accurately calling it the Israeli proposal. Which it is. But Netanyahu hates it.

So now Netanyahu is walking back from it while Hamas is responding
“positively.”


Now the mediators, U.S., Qatar, and Egypt, are putting pressure on both
Israel and Hamas to accept the deal

Shaiel Ben-Ephraim@academic_la
The three mediators have issued a joint statement 👆supporting the Israeli
offer for a hostage exchange. This puts further pressure on Hamas to agree.
There are reports that Qatar plans to put its entire weight behind this
initiative as it is now a signature Presidential policy and will have ramifications
for their bilateral relations with the United States.

Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, the far right members, say they’ll leave the govt if the
deal happens. That’ll leave Netanyahu to form a govt with center right
figures...

Barak Ravid@BarakRavid

BREAKING: Ultranationalist ministers Ben Gvir and Smotrich tell Netanyahu
they will leave the coalition and topple the government if the Israeli proposal
for the hostage deal presented by President Biden goes through

Here’s the proposal as laid out by Biden

President Biden@POTUS
Israel has now offered a roadmap to an enduring ceasefire – and the release
of all the hostages.

Yesterday, this proposal was transmitted by Qatar to Hamas.

Today, I want to lay out its terms for the world.


Sabzi 🐝
May 31
Well what a waste of time that was. This👇🏼 was proposed to Israel in
February and refused by Netanyahu

Ryan Grim

13h
Here is Netanyahu subtly acknowledging he did make the proposal, but that
he doesn’t really mean it because he’ll keep waging war no matter what.
Note the language:

Prime Minister of Israel
@IsraeliPM
·
May 31
Replying to @IsraeliPM
The Prime Minister authorized the negotiating team to present a proposal to
that end, which would also enable Israel to continue the war until all its
objectives are achieved, including the destruction of Hamas's military and
governing capabilities.

Ryan Grim
More confirmation this is Israel’s offer
נדב איל Nadav Eyal
@Nadav_Eyal
Senior Israeli officials tell me: The plan presented by President Biden is
indeed the offer made by the war cabinet, through the mediators, to Hamas.
However, there is one main difference between the President's speech and
the actual offer made by Israel. "Israel has never agreed that negotiations
between stage 1 and stage 2 can continue indefinitely and during that time
the ceasefire lasts. This might mean Hamas can keep the hostages that were
not freed and continue to 'negotiate' forever, thus achieving the end of the
war while still holding on to the hostages." The attached quote from the
President's speech is what they are referring to. But again, the main point is
that they confirm: its an Israeli proposal.


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54553


Date: June 02, 2024 at 09:55:34
From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: there's a lot of manufactured confusion around ceasefire...


well, hamas neewds to change their name and attitude.
then war will be over.


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