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Date: May 28, 2024 at 19:33:28
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Justifying Slaughter |
URL: How the Cult of Messianic Zionism Conquered the West | Thomas Suárez |
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Acclaimed author and researcher Thomas Suárez, a former
West-Bank resident and faculty member of Palestine’s
National Conservatory of Music, appeared at UMass-Amherst
on April 16 to talk about the historical roots of
Israel’s ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the
complicity of Western governments in manufacturing
consent to the continuing horrors unfolding in Gaza and
the West Bank, and what it will take to fundamentally
transform Israel’s current apartheid policies and
liberate the Palestinian people.
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Date: May 28, 2024 at 21:57:31
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Justifying Slaughter |
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I haven't watched the video.
Don't you think, asking you, that transforming Israel's
policies will liberate Palestinians AND Israelis. That
true peace is to liberate all from hate?
How is that done unless Hamas and their policies are
eliminated?
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Date: May 29, 2024 at 04:39:47
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: will you ever understand why Hamas exists? |
URL: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas |
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mitra, please don't spin my post as a position of supporting Hamas, (as is
your wont). It's a dishonest game you frequently play, but it's just a lie you
perpetuate to continue your argument in support illegal occupation & war
crimes and continuous oppression.
If Israel wasn't an apartheid regime subjugating Palestinians, Hamas would
have no hold, no power, no support.
excerpt
"Hamas was founded—in the early days of the first Intifada uprising—amid
growing Palestinian fury over the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank
and Gaza. The Hamas Covenant was largely crafted by Sheikh Ahmed
Yassin, a quadriplegic and partially blind cleric who was the founder and
spiritual leader of the militant militia in Gaza. The first Intifada raged
sporadically until 1993, when Yasser Arafat of the PLO signed a partial peace
agreement with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin at the White House.
Hamas rejected the so-called Oslo Accords. As the peace process
deadlocked, Hamas deployed suicide bombers against Israeli civilian and
military targets. A second Intifada erupted in 2000 after Ariel Sharon, the
right-wing opposition leader and former general, made a trip to the Temple
Mount to declare Israel’s sovereignty over the third holiest site in Islam. In
2004, Israel assassinated Yassin in a missile strike. The second Intifada
ended in 2005, and Israel opted to unilaterally end its military occupation of
Gaza, which it had captured during the 1967 war.
In 2006, Hamas ran openly for the first time in legislative elections and won
the largest number of seats—over Arafat’s Fatah and other secular parties—
in the Palestinian Authority’s legislature. It wrested physical control of Gaza
away from the PA a year later, thereby cementing its political and military
control of an area that is about the size of Philadelphia. Its statements since
then have often sounded contradictory—in one moment calling for liberation
of all the lands that were part of historic Palestine and in another moment
claiming Hamas could live alongside another state based on the 1967
borders, when Israel seized Gaza from Egypt. In December 2012, Khaled
Mashaal, a leader in exile, reflected the traditional Hamas hardline, “The state
will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood.
Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he
said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We
will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore
there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone
by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”
In 2017, a revised Hamas manifesto included three departures from the 1988
charter, former U.S. diplomat Aaron David Miller told The Islamists. First,
Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel
—although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said,
“Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of
Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its
rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights,
Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent
Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of
June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes
from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.”
Second, it attempted to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern
Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive,
colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or
Jews. The updated platform also lacked some of the anti-Semitic language
of the 1988 charter. Third, the document did not reference the Palestinian
Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas was originally an offshoot."
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Date: May 29, 2024 at 10:00:05
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: will you ever understand that is not the question now? |
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Why do you complain about me spinning your posts as
support for Hamas when you spin my posts as support for
war crimes, and have since I noted that this war would
cost many, many civilian lives.
Especially when in my previous post I was only noting
that liberation for Palestinians also liberates the
Israelis? It was my observation that the civil rights
movement also freed the prejudiced, and saw this in my
own family.
Nevertheless, I do appreciate the history of Palestine,
and the view that what is happening is colonization.
To that point, in all the world where colonization
happened, the U.S, Canada, Australia... ommitted the
Middle East, Russia, China, Iran, Europe, Africa, South
America, India, the Pacific Islands and happening today
in more places than just the Middle East, there is one
that shines as success for the oppressed.
That involved not guns, missiles, knives or bombs.
That leader tossed off the yoke of the oppressor with
salt and spinning wheels.
Hamas is a capsule of the worst of Arab resistance
Faced with a situation of losing government the Arab
response was to immediately fight, no negotiation.
They have not stopped fighting or starting wars and the
pendulum swings with, justified and not, assault by
both sides. Wars which the Israelis win and control
with struggle and loss. For a people who were
(wrongly, as I believe) just handed territory to
govern, the response by the Arabs creates/created a
monster. There are extreme elements in every society,
when the militant fringe rules, everyone loses.
I've lived in neighborhoods where the residents were
priced out by newcomers, it's hard, but no one died by
violence other than economic.
The Palestinians have an opportunity to change, as do
the Israelis. Losing the perpetual enemy dynamic would
be a step in the right direction, but heal and wake up
the hearts that have been so damaged by violence and
horror. It's possible. It's been done before.
That's them. We can do something here, in this board
that tells the truth without continuing the war, that
enlightens without prejudice. It's not easy, especially
with prejudicial sources, but it's worth the effort.
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