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54463
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Israel dropped several 2000 lb bombs on civilian tens & UN compounds..
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were they American bombs? Jeremy scahill reposted Husam Zomlot 14h Israel commits a massacre in #Rafah this evening, dropping several 2,000 pound bombs on civilian tents and #UN compounds, murdering dozens of civilians seeking shelter. This was Israel’s response to the @CIJ_ICJ ruling Friday that it must halt its offensive on Rafah. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Israel dropped several 2000 lb bombs on civilian tens & UN...
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Were there tunnels underneath the area? 2000 pound bombs are bunker bombs. Just curious. Your article didn't say. If there were tunnels there might be some reason to use bunker bombs, if not, even if Hamas senior officials and retinue were hiding out in those tents, those bombs are too extreme. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Israel dropped several 2000 lb bombs on civilian tens & UN...
| they didn’t bother to use the tunnel excuse this time |
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54464
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near the UN
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Hind Khoudary, journalist @Hind_Gaza A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near the UNRWA logistics base in Tal Al-Sultan, located in the western part of Rafah. Israeli aircraft have shelled several tents in this area, resulting in numerous martyrs and casualties. Many have been transported to the Tal Al-Sultan clinic and the field hospitals near the sea of Rafah. At present, numerous individuals remain stuck under the flames and in the tents destroyed by the bombardment. It is important to note that this location was classified by the Israeli occupation as a humanitarian area, and citizens were coerced into evacuating to it. |
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54466
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Who is journalist, Hind Khoudary?
URL: https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-voices-who-bisan-hind-khoudary-motaz-and-plestia
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Who is Hind Khoudary? Hind Khoudary, a 29-year-old Palestinian journalist from the Gaza Strip, has also earned widespread recognition for her work documenting life under siege and war in Gaza. Her career path winds through various publications, including The New Arab, the Middle East Eye, Anadolu Agency, and +972 Magazine. Previously, she contributed to RT. Her online presence on platforms like Twitter and Instagram has garnered attention, with her posts cited by The New York Times, NPR, and Utusan Malaysia. Khoudary's human rights advocacy led her to work with Amnesty International in 2019. During the Great March of Return protests in 2018, she documented the events and reported on human rights concerns. She was briefly detained and interrogated by Hamas, the ruling authority in Gaza, for her work. Khoudary continues to shine a light on the lives and experiences of Palestinians living in Gaza, highlighting the ongoing impact of Israel's genocidal war. |
54496
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: NewArab/aka MENA: Egyptian/propaganda/Low Cred/Questionable
URL: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-news-agency-mena-bias/
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This site is associated with MENA (middle east news agency) which is listed as a "Questionable source". https://www.newarab.com/analysis/inside-mena.Caution and cross-checking with other sources advised. Overall, we rate the Middle East News Agency (MENA) as right-center biased and Questionable based on the use of poor sources and the promotion of state propaganda. Detailed Report Questionable Reasoning: Poor Sourcing, Pro-State Propaganda Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: Egypt MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: TOTAL OPPRESSION Media Type: News Agency Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY |
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54468
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Who is journalist, Hind Khoudary?
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I didn't criticize her grammar, sentence structure or ability to punch a thought. Calling the dead "martyrs" is straight out of the Hamas playbook. So for Hamas, however many is too few. |
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54465
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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"It is important to note that this location was classified by the Israeli occupation as a humanitarian area, and citizens were coerced into evacuating to it." Israelis say they had precise intelligence as to where Hamas officers were located and targeted it. The moral of this story is that they will eliminate Hamas wherever they are. Note to civilians: do not fraternize with the enemy. This bombardment is what comes from Hamas officials wrapping civilians around them. Do you realize characterizing the dead as martyrs puts your message, whatever the source, as suspect? Your message did not mention Hamas, and appears to have been written as coming from their camp. How many Israeli martyrs died deploying those weapons and attempting to control the ground? As for civilians, 100,000 dead weren't too many for Hamas's Sinwar. What's a few more to Hamas? They are valuable dead and injured as more propaganda, more donations, more time. If you care about the Palestinian people, eliminate Hamas. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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“ Israelis say they had precise intelligence as to where Hamas officers were located and targeted it. The moral of this story is that they will eliminate Hamas wherever they are.” dropping 2,000 lb bombs on crowded refugee camps is a war crime |
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54476
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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I'm not responding to delusional people anymore... Wasteotimo |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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"not responding to delusional people" Then how are you going to talk to yourself? |
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54471
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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War is a crime. |
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54473
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
| cute play on words, but not really appropriate |
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54474
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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Fine. The (apparent) objective of Israel is to eliminate Hamas and maintain Israel. The (apparent) objective of Hamas is to eliminate Israel. To that end Israel, to protect civilians, have ordered them out of Rafah, and announced it's intent to take the war there. Anyone left should have known what was coming. To that end Hamas wraps itself in civilians, hides out near UN posts and celebrates each death as a martyr. One hundred thousand martyrs not too many. Hamas holds a gun to the head of a starving child and says there are plenty more to replace it. What do you do? The Israeli view is the way you hold down casualties is to win the war quickly. Netanyahu has the families of hostages and soldiers biting at his heels. War. What good is it? Ask Hamas. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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your defense of the war crimes is shocking. gaza is only 25 miles by 7 miles. it’s only 141 square miles and israel keeps dropping 2,000 lb bombs, using artillery, missiles and other heavy ordnance on this small area containing 2 million people. israel’s conduct is a war crime and a crime against humanity. they are hurting their own future as it may be difficult for them to obtain weapons in the future as they have become a rogue nation violating international law |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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I'm not defending war crimes any more than you are stumping for Hamas. (You aren't, are you?) Months ago I told you this would happen. That doesn't mean I support it, it does mean if I knew someone there, I would tell to leave. Word to the wise, be quick to flee... I think I said that at the time, too. After a lifetime of watching wars, a child of soldiers and living through nuclear drills as a child, cold war, friends killed, I do not pretend to be surprised or shocked when wars kill innocents or civilians especially when the "military/terrorists" hide in civilian camps. Israel's apparent position, (one can only surmise the apparent) is that Hamas crossed their line and for survival, cannot allow it to happen again. If Hamas doesn't want their civilians killed they know what to do. They certainly didn't care about Israel's. It has been no where near the 100,000 Hamas said would not be too many to attain their "loftiest goal". Personally I am deeply sad with Hamas for escalating the struggle to this level and Netanyahu for not ending it more quickly. Gaza is small, after all, and Israel is following the US example of bombs, not infantry. But I am not going to hate the Palestinians or Israelis for being caught in the middle of insanity they did not want. Nor am I going to pretend it's Biden's fault and by omission promote Trump who would/might be so, so much worse according to his own statements and more importantly, alliances. I do not know to what backstories we are not privy. Is Netanyahu aligned with Sunni Saudis (and Trump) to create a Singapore of the ME with world influence and gain over Shiite Iran and therefore must eject the Iran-backed Hamas? Will this extend MBS's power and create a Trump Gaxa? Will this allow Israelis to sleep safely and Palestinians to begin a century of healing? Or just set up the Saudis for their next battle? |
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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“Gaza is small, after all, and Israel is following the US example of bombs, not infantry.” you wrote a lot but you are still defending israel’s war crimes. they are violating us and international laws with their indiscriminate killing of civilians |
54480
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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I did write a lot, but you complained previous post was too short... No, I'm not defending Israel. That was just what I see happening. Defense would be incessant posts and demonizing the other side. What Akira does by reposting Hamas propaganda without considering an alternative reason or differing objectives and then putting derogatory headlines against a perceived enemy (Biden but not Trump?) is defense. I'm not mentioning one or a few, but all posts seem straight out of the propaganda factory. I don't have to demonize Hamas. They do just fine on their own. Israel on this board, needs recognition as something other than the Hamas view not for balance but depth of understanding. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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everyone seems to agree that hamas is basically a terrorist organization, and this isn’t a trump/biden issue. the issue here is that israel has conducted themselves in the most brutal way, with no regard for civilian casualties, killing large numbers of women and children along with journalists, aid workers any anyone else in the area. israel is violating international law with no regard for civilian casualties. that is not propaganda it’s a war crime |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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If this isn't a trump/Biden issue, then why demonize Biden, and ignore trump, whose statements of his bias and proposed activities are so more egregious just months before an election? All the attention on Biden is one sided. Blaming Biden alone is Putin's dream for Trump as President cutting the ribbon to Eastern Europe. Israel has been brutal and in their way, even worse, ineffective, leading to more loss of life. The management of the population has been a horror. Who is responsible? When Israel began the shooting the noncombatants should have been identified and cared for, it's not that easy, but I don't know why or the particulars. It seems to me an logistics issue, and I thought they would be better than the disaster proves. And Israel is committing war crimes by denying food, shuffling people about with no apparent organization, etc. Journalists who bring a pen to a gunfight should expect no less than what they see around them. It's a war. A modern war with selfies and video as never before. This is not merely Hamas as terrorists. This is Hamas shielding their operations in babies. You don't think *that* is a war crime? Hamas has also denied their own people food if it didn't come from Hamas at the point of a gun, another war crime. So, admit Hamas also commits war crimes, all is not on Israel. It just isn't that simple. This war would be over if Hamas wasn't happy with the way it's going, and they are encouraged, cheered on, happy that the world wide web sees the babies they push in front of them as victims of Israel and Hamas as invisible. Hamas has the power to stop this war in a heartbeat. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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“When Israel began the shooting the noncombatants should have been identified and cared for, it's not that easy, but I don't know why or the particulars. It seems to me a logistics issue, and I thought they would be better than the disaster proves.” israel isn’t just shooting, they keep dropping large bombs including 2,000 lb bombs on densely populated urban areas. that is why the civilian death toll has been so high. that is why journalists , aid workers and medical personnel are dying. and it is just odd to keep talking about trump who isn’t president. biden does get blame for his actions and the things he hasn’t done but should have because he is currently the leader of the free world. plenty of time to blame trump after jan 2025 but at the moment biden is president |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians near...
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Originally throwing bunker bombs at bunkers made more than sense. It was the only way to destroy tunnels. Tossing bunker bombs on tents (?!#) sends a political message to Biden, a message to the UN, and a message to Hamas: Israel is going to do it Netanyahu's way. F*** you. I do not believe the apology, it was too big a bomb, it was too important a decision. Both too valuable to leave to underlings. One reason Israel has so much support in Congress and little opposition to the methods is the Republicans who depend on Trump for direction. Especially in a year when his influence has been demonstrated in other issues, this one matters to Congress and I don't understand why Trump's position doesn't matter to you. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: A lethal massacre is unfolding against displaced civilians P.S....
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The IDF says the bomb/missile they dropped could not have made the damage reported and that Hamas was storing munitions near the UN post that caused most of the damage. No link...sorry. So, was this a 2000 pound bomb or not? Does it matter what the IDF says, or will Hamas act with impunity, any thing they do or say is okay because they shelter surrounded by children? |
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