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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
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Mehdi Hasan reposted Abdalhadi Alijla عبد الهادي العجلة @alijla2021 This photo brought tears to my eyes. You don't know how much Gazans love their books. You don't understand what it means to see them burning our books. Hundreds of thousands of homes in Gaza had small libraries. Even during the genocide, many people contacted me to send them digital books to read in their tents. I bought my first book when I was nine and walked six kilometers to buy that book after hearing my older brother talk about it. This is a barbaric act. Who burned books in the history of humankind? The Mongols and the Nazis. What message do Israeli soldiers want to convey to us? As Heinrich Heine said, “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.” But now, people and books are being burned. |
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From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
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The books that the National Socialists burned were porn. They respected and treasured fine art and literature. |
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From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
| As I suspected here, there is only one side to the story. |
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54456
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
| jawhol! |
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54443
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
URL: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/book-burning
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Educate yourself. You have been misinformed. The Nazis weren't so particular as to stick to porn. KEY FACTS 1 The Nazi university student association created blacklists of works by literary and political figures such as Bertolt Brecht, Erich Maria Remarque, and Ernest Hemingway that were to be thrown into the flames. 2 In the aftermath of the book burnings, the Nazi regime raided book stores, libraries, and publishers’ warehouses to confiscate materials it deemed dangerous or “un-German.” 3 The Nazi book burnings provoked international criticism from intellectuals and the press. They saw it as a barbaric act that was out of keeping with a modern, civilized society. |
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54441
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
| you mean they stole as much of it as they could, right? lol... |
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54439
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
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You're kidding me right? The nazis burned more than "porn". But leave it to you to stick up for them again and attempt to rewrite history. |
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54427
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
URL: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=national+socialists+stole+Jewish+art&t=osx&ia=web
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They respected fine art so much, they stole it...often from jews. https://www.nytimes.com › 2024 › 03 › 13 › arts › heirs-awarded-nazi- looted-art-are-still-waiting-17-years-later.html Heirs Awarded Nazi-Looted Art Are Still Waiting, 17 Years Later Mar 13, 2024Marc J. Masurovsky, a founder of the Holocaust Art Restitution Project in Washington, D.C., said that governments often put too many procedural hurdles in front of heirs trying to retrieve stolen art. https://smarthistory.org › art-in-nazi-germany Smarthistory - Art in Nazi Germany Dec 6, 2023Surprisingly, before 1937, Goebbels-and many other Nazis- collected modern art. Goebbels had works of modern art in his study, his living room and was a fan of many artists that eventually ended up in the Degenerate Art Exhibition. Heinrich Himmler was interested in mystical, Germanic art that harked back to a tribal past. https://www.npr.org › 2019 › 05 › 02 › 719367874 › jewish-family-loses- legal-battle-to-recover-painting-stolen-by-nazis Jewish Family Loses Legal Battle To Recover Painting Stolen By Nazis - NPR May 2, 2019A Jewish family has lost a 15-year legal battle to recover a painting stolen by Nazis during World War II. An 1897 impressionist work by Camille Pissarro, Rue Saint-Honoré, Après-midi, Effet de ... https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org › recovering-stolen-art-from-the- holocaust Recovering Stolen Art from the Holocaust - Jewish Virtual Library The recovery of stolen art took a more international scale in 1998. On June 30, thirty-nine countries signed a joint pledge to identify art stolen from Holocaust victims and to compensate their heirs. Nearly every European country - in addition to the United States, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Russia and Israel - signed the agreement. https://forward.com › news › breaking-news › 324943 › german-art- museum-finds-18-nazi-looted-paintings-in-collection German Art Museum Finds 18 Nazi-Looted Paintings in Collection A German art museum said it has found 18 works in its collection that may have been stolen from Jews by the Nazis. Some of the sculptures and drawings in the Kunsthalle Mannheim are by artists ... https://www.dw.com › en › why-hitler-stole-paintings-and-hid-in-one › a- 18858421 Why Hitler stole paintings - and hid in one - DW - 11/19/2015 When Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist regime came into power in 1933, the former painter, twice rejected from Vienna's Academy of Fine Arts, pledged to do away with modern art, a genre he ... |
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From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
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Um, that's one side of the story. Paintings and sculpture were always claimed to have been stolen post factum. Actually much was bought at fair price so that the jews could then transfer the funds to Palestine to be there for them when they arrived. Hitler et al securely stashed much artwork deep in dry salt mines to protect the pieces during the war. This was later claimed to have been stolen spoils of war. Who gets to write history? And then--there was Operation Cowboy. |
54431
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Four Works of Nazi-Looted Art Identified and Returned to Jewish Family
URL: https://www.history.com/news/nazi-stolen-art-identified
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I know it's difficult for you to acknowledge that nazis were anything but victims. I'm not sure why that is, but I have no doubt you do. Four Works of Nazi-Looted Art Identified and Returned to Jewish Family The drawings were in the stash of Hildebrand Gurlitt, the head buyer for Adolf Hitler’s planned Führermuseum. BY: BECKY LITTLE PUBLISHED: SEPTEMBER 18, 2018 Hitler and Nazi-looted art Germany has identified four drawings that Nazis stole from a Jewish home during the Third Reich. The art belonged to the Deutsch de la Meurthe family, who lived in Paris when Germany invaded and occupied France. Nazis seized their house—all but Georgette, the youngest daughter, died in the Holocaust —and used it to store other stolen art and furniture from Jewish families. The Deutsch de la Meurthe drawings surfaced after researchers posted about them in Germany’s Lost Art database in July 2017, and an anonymous owner came forward with them. Researchers have since traced the drawings to Hildebrand Gurlitt, the head buyer for Adolf Hitler’s planned Führermuseum. Hildebrand gave the drawings and 14 other pieces to his daughter, Benita Gurlitt, who died in 2012. However, it’s not clear how Hildebrand got his hands on the Deutsch de la Meurthe drawings in the first place. Nazi looted art CHARLES DOMINIQUE JOSEPH EISEN/COURTESY OF THE BUNDESKUNSTHALLE MUSEUM A DRAWING THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN FROM THE DEUTSCH DE LA MEURTHE FAMILY, WHO LIVED IN PARIS WHEN GERMANY INVADED AND OCCUPIED FRANCE. IT WAS AMONG FOUR RECENTLY IDENTIFIED WORKS THAT WERE RETURNED TO THE FAMILY. One of the biggest reasons Nazis stole art was because Adolf Hitler wanted to build an art museum that only featured work by “Aryan” Germans. He planned to establish his Führermuseum, or “Leader Museum,” in the Austrian city of Linz, which he considered his hometown. Most of all, Hitler wanted the Ghent Altarpiece by Jan van Eyck. This was a large, Belgian church piece that the Treaty of Versailles had forced Germany to give back to Belgium. (The 2014 film Monuments Men dramatizes the Allies’ operation to recover some of this art.) At the same time, Hitler wanted to purge German museums of art by Jewish people and communists, as well as art that seemed too modern or un- German. In 1937, Nazis held a “Degenerate Art” exhibit to highlight these types of pieces. Over the next few years, Germany removed and stole tens of thousands of “degenerate art” from state and private collections. Nazis burned some of these pieces and sold others abroad. Only four German art dealers had approval to sell “degenerate art,” and Hildebrand Gurlitt was one of them. German officials discovered most of the known pieces in Hildebrand’s stash in his son’s apartments in 2012. Authorities found hundreds of these works while investigating his son, Cornelius Gurlitt, for tax evasion. Between Cornelius’ apartments in Munich and Salzburg, authorities confiscated 1,566 pieces. The included pieces by artists like Pablo Picasso, whose cubism Nazis considered to be degenerate art. The discoveries in Cornelius’ apartments spawned a task force charged with determining the pieces’ provenance and whether Nazis had stolen them (Nazis purchased some “Aryan” artwork around Europe, and state museums may have willingly handed over “degenerate art”). Before his death in 2014, Cornelius agreed to restitute any work that was illegally obtained. However, determining the works’ provenance has proved very difficult. “Even though we have good funding and perfect researchers, even they sometimes can't clarify a provenance to say that this is a work that came from a family or not,” Andrea Baresel-Brand, head of the Department of Lost Art and Documentation for the German Lost Art Foundation, told Live Science. Only a few pieces from Cornelius’ stash have been returned to the heirs of the artworks’ original owners. Now, the four Deutsch de la Meurthe drawings have also been restituted to the family’s heirs. With the family’s approval, these drawings by Charles-Dominique-Joseph Eisen, Augustin de Saint Aubin and Anne Vallayer-Coster are on display until January 2019 at the Gropius Bau museum in Berlin, along with other pieces from the famous Gurlitt stash. |
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From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Four Works of Nazi-Looted Art Identified and Returned to Jewish...
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Please remember that as some Germans were nazis, not all nazies were German. And they called themselves National Socialists. 'Nazi' name was given them by their haters. It seems to me that you consider all Germans to have been nazies. This is no more true than all jews are zionists. As also there are christians and there are christians. It takes some digging and going down rabbit holes that one would ordinarily avoid because of subject matter which is directly opposite to that which one has been taught as true, all the while keeping in mind who wrote the history. It is not easy to accept or even begin to think that maybe--just maybe--what we've been taught is not exactly how things went down. I can still vividly remember during the very late '30s/early '40s my maternal grandfather sitting in his rocking chair, smoking his pipe. He would say 'Goddam Boolsheviks!' under his breath, let out a short, hard puff of smoke. Then 'Goddam Roosefelt!' Another hard puff. Then 'Goddam Rooshians!' Hard, sharp puff. Grandmother would say quietly, 'Now, Max!' That stuck with me until I was grown and found time to go looking for what could have possibly caused such intense feeling from such a mild-mannered, quiet, well- spoken gentleman of a man. What I found in the other side of the stories of both WWI and WWII was what started to make sense in encounters and dealings with certain people that had always puzzled me. You see, I am one of the two peoples most hated by the Tribe--being obviously Germanic and with a German surname, the other people being ethnic Russians. So I am leery of any and all history coming from one side and repeated ad infinitum almost knee-jerk style. I am leery of what is being fed us about what is happening nowadays that I've seen and heard firsthand that is patently NOT what is being sold as true. I've been through this with Kelli Marie, viz and a couple others on Syzygy and these boards. I was hoping it was done and over with. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Four Works of Nazi-Looted Art Identified and Returned to Jewish...
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Thank you for showing us who you are. Let everyone see. |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Four Works of Nazi-Looted Art Identified and Returned to Jewish...
| i was gonna say, you sound a lot like gramps! lol... |
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54421
From: mitraà, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Barbaric - Who burned books in the history of humankind?
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So was this in response to videos of Hamas burning libraries and homes after rampage of killing? Wasn't that barbaric? Was that assault okay for you? Missed the outrage from you on that. |
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