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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: if Russia would rather not be accused of committing war crimes...
| she's a genius! |
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54191
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Ukraine didn't hide an arsenal and military HQs in hospitals
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So she was right again, if not a genius. |
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54248
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: an empty vessel, full of erroneous claims & propaganda
| you are |
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54221
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Please post the evidence, Mitra(NT)
| (NT) |
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54209
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at...
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so Israel destroys nearly all of Gaza's hospitals, kills & mass buries hundreds of people, including patients and children because of a couple of ak-47s that might, I stress mighthave been found in one hospital? okay, honey, whatever you say. November 18, 2023 CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at Al- Shifa prior to news crew visits From CNN’s Katie Polglase and Gianluca Mezzofiore An Israel Defense Forces video on November 15 showing a tour of Hamas weaponry found at Al-Shifa hospital shows less weaponry at the scene than in later footage filmed by international news crews, indicating the weaponry may have been moved or placed there prior to news crews arriving. CNN compared footage published by the IDF online with footage taken by Fox News, which was granted access to the site in the hours afterwards. IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus leads the tour in the IDF video and a watch on his arm shows the time to be 13:18. Fox News foreign correspondent Trey Yingst later visits the scene when it is dark. He says in his report it is “the middle of the night.” Yingst is shown a bag located behind an MRI machine inside the hospital with two AK-47 guns visible on top of it. However, the IDF video filmed earlier shows only one AK-47 gun. It is unclear where the second AK-47 gun came from and why it is not visible in the earlier IDF clip. In the intervening hours, the IDF also posted online a photo of the weaponry purportedly found at Al-Shifa hospital. The WhatsApp file name for this photo indicates it was taken at 17:35; this places it after the IDF tour of the MRI compound but almost certainly before the Fox News crew arrive. It is possible the weaponry was removed from the scene and replaced prior to the news crews arriving. However this does not explain why more guns are visible when the press arrive than in the original IDF video. The BBC was also granted access to the hospital the following day, November 16, and two AK-47 guns are still visible on top of the bag inside the MRI room. Israeli military responds: The IDF told CNN the discrepancy between the military’s own video and the BBC footage was “due to the fact that more weaponry and terrorist assets were discovered throughout the day.” “Suggestions that the IDF is manipulating the media are incorrect,” it added. “We are acting with full transparency whilst maintaining the safety of our troops and operational readiness.” This post has been updated with the IDF's response to questions about the videos. |
54210
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Newsweek: What Israel Says It Found in Shifa Hospital
URL: https://www.newsweek.com/israel-idf-shifa-hospital-hamas-weapons-evidence-1844261
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again, this justifies destroying nearly all Gaza hospitals, displacing and killing patients, children and other civilians, how?? has any verifying evidence been proven to exist since this was published? I'm looking... "What Israel Says It Found in Shifa Hospital Published Nov 16, 2023 By Aleks Phillips, U.S. News Reporter Israel claims to have found caches of weapons and a Hamas "operational headquarters" inside Gaza's largest hospital, which it raided in the early hours of Wednesday morning as part of its ground offensive in the Palestinian territory. "Intelligence information"—which the U.S. affirmed—had led the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to believe it was an "operational necessity" to storm the Shifa Hospital, on the western side of Gaza City, it said, noting militant activity on the site precluded it from protection under international law. But in the hours since the raid, video and pictorial evidence it has produced suggests a comparatively small weapons cache inside the building—and, as yet, no tunnels. The sparse evidence raises fresh questions about Israel's claim that Hamas uses civilians as human shields. Munir al-Boursh, a senior official with the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry inside the hospital, told the Associated Press that Israeli troops had searched the hospital's basement levels and grounds for tunnels. ADVERTISING IDF Shifa Hospital split Israel Defense Forces soldiers search inside the Shifa Hospital in Gaza on November 15, 2023 and the military equipment and weapons it claims they found inside the medical complex. IDF While militants in Gaza are known to use an elaborate network of tunnels to move men and ammunitions around unseen, Israel has yet to provide visual evidence for its claim that a Hamas center of operations was located underneath the Shifa Hospital. Hamas and hospital staff have refuted the accusation that it was a home for militant operations. It did take several days for the IDF to approach the hospital—it said it killed four militants outside the hospital before entering—so it is possible that any militant stockpiles were moved. But the apparent lack of tunnels complicates an already conflicted picture. Newsweek approached the IDF via email for comment on Thursday, which acknowledged the request but has yet to respond." |
54213
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: UN rights chief 'horrified' by mass grave reports at Gaza hospitals
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UN rights chief 'horrified' by mass grave reports at Gaza hospitals 24 April 2024 By David Gritten, BBC News Share Reuters Palestinian civil defence workers dig mounds of earth in the grounds of Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip (21 April 2024)Reuters Palestinian workers are exhuming bodies at Nasser hospital with shovels because they have no heavy machinery The UN's human rights chief has said he is "horrified" by the destruction of Gaza's Nasser and al-Shifa hospitals and the reports of "mass graves" being found at the sites after Israeli raids. Volker Türk called for independent investigations into the deaths. Palestinian officials said they had exhumed 283 bodies at Nasser, some with their hands tied. It is not clear how they died or when they were buried. Israel's military said claims that it buried bodies there were "baseless". But it did say that during a two-week operation at the hospital in the city of Khan Younis in February, troops "examined" bodies buried by Palestinians "in places where intelligence indicated the possible presence of hostages". Testimony from a number of released hostages who were held at Nasser hospital places 10 hostages in total there, one of whom remains in captivity. The head of the UN Human Rights Office for the Palestinian territories also said he did not have "solid evidence" that bodies were found in the graves with their hands tied. Ajith Sunghay told the BBC that while he had seen some photographs of bodies with hands tied, the evidence did not meet the standard of proof required by the UN and so could not be stated as a fact. Prior to the Israeli operation at Nasser, staff there had said they had been forced to bury bodies in the hospital's courtyard because nearby fighting prevented access to cemeteries, and videos were posted on social media showing burials taking place there. There were similar reports from al-Shifa before the first Israeli raid on the hospital took place in November. The Israeli military has said it has raided a number of hospitals in Gaza during the war because Hamas fighters have been operating inside them - a claim Hamas and medical officials have denied. The war began when Hamas gunmen carried out an unprecedented cross- border attack on southern Israel on 7 October, killing about 1,200 people - mostly civilians - and taking 253 others back to Gaza as hostages. More than 34,180 people - most of them children and women - have been killed in Gaza since then, the territory's Hamas-run health ministry says. Gaza medics tell BBC that Israeli troops beat and humiliated them Trapped by gunfire at Gaza hospital, people risked death to help injured A spokeswoman for the UN Human Rights Office said on Tuesday that it was working on corroborating reports from Palestinian officials that 283 bodies had been found in Nasser hospital's grounds, including 42 which had been identified. "Victims had reportedly been buried deep in the ground and covered with waste," Ravina Shamdasani told reporters in Geneva. "Among the deceased were allegedly older people, women and wounded, while others... were found with their hands tied and stripped of their clothes." Mr Türk called for independent, effective and transparent investigations into the deaths, adding: "Given the prevailing climate of impunity, this should include international investigators." "Hospitals are entitled to very special protection under international humanitarian law. And the intentional killing of civilians, detainees, and others who are hors de combat [not participating in hostilities] is a war crime." The US state department also said the reports were "incredibly troubling". Map showing exhumations at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip On Monday, a spokesman for the Hamas-run Civil Defense force told BBC Arabic's Gaza Today programme that it had received reports from local Palestinians that the bodies of a "large number" of people who had been killed during the war and buried in a makeshift cemetery in the hospital's courtyard were moved to another location during the Israeli raid. "After research and investigation, we learned that the occupation [Israeli] army had established a mass grave, pulled out the bodies that were in Nasser hospital, and buried them in this mass grave," Mahmoud Basal said. Gaza Today also spoke to a man who said he was searching there for the bodies of two male relatives which he alleged had been taken by Israeli troops during Israel's recently concluded offensive in Khan Younis. "After I had buried them in an apartment, the [Israelis] came and moved their bodies," he said. "Every day we search for their bodies, but we fail to find them." Hamas has alleged that the bodies include people "executed in cold blood" by Israeli forces, without providing evidence. Contains some violence and disturbing scenes. 2:11 Contains some violence and disturbing scenes. BBC Verify authenticates video from key moments in the story of Nasser Medical Complex in Gaza The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement on Tuesday: "The claim that the IDF buried Palestinian bodies is baseless and unfounded." "During the IDF's operation in the area of Nasser Hospital, in accordance to the effort to locate hostages and missing persons, corpses buried by Palestinians in the area of Nasser hospital were examined. "The examination was conducted in a careful manner and exclusively in places where intelligence indicated the possible presence of hostages. The examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased. Bodies examined, which did not belong to Israeli hostages, were returned to their place." The IDF said that its forces had detained "about 200 terrorists who were in the hospital" during the raid, and that they found ammunition as well as unused medicines intended for Israeli hostages. It also insisted that the raid was carried out "in a targeted manner and without harming the hospital, the patients and the medical staff". However, three medical staff told the BBC last month that they were humiliated, beaten, doused with cold water, and forced to kneel for hours after being detained during the raid. Medics who remained at Nasser after the Israeli takeover said they were unable to care for patients and that 13 died because of conditions there, including a lack of water, electricity and other supplies. Reuters Palestinian officials tape off the courtyard of al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City as workers search for human remains (8 April 2024)Reuters The UN Human Rights Office said it had received reports that 30 bodies were buried in the courtyard of al-Shifa hospital On 1 April, Israeli troops withdrew from al-Shifa hospital, which is in Gaza City, following what the IDF said was another "precise" operation carried out in response to intelligence that Hamas had regrouped there. The IDF said at the time that 200 "terrorists" were killed in and around the hospital during the two-week raid. More than 500 others were detained, and weapons and intelligence were found "throughout the hospital", it added. After a mission gained access to the facility five days later, the World Health Organization (WHO) said al-Shifa was "now an empty shell", with most of the buildings extensively damaged or destroyed, and the majority of equipment unusable or reduced to ashes. It also said that "numerous shallow graves" had been dug just outside the emergency department, and the administrative and surgical buildings, and that "many dead bodies were partially buried with their limbs visible". The IDF also said it had avoided harm to patients at al-Shifa. But the WHO cited the acting hospital director as saying patients were held in abysmal conditions during the siege, and that at least 20 patients reportedly died due to a lack of access to care and limited movement authorised for medics. Spokeswoman Ms Shamdasani said reports seen by the UN human rights office suggested that a total of 30 bodies were buried in the two graves and that 12 of them had been identified so far. "There are reports that the hands of some of these bodies were also tied," she said, adding that "many more" people could have been killed than the 200 reported by the IDF. Gaza's civil defence spokesman told CNN on 9 April that 381 bodies had been recovered from the vicinity of al-Shifa, but that the figure did not include people buried in the hospital's grounds. The UN human rights chief also deplored as "beyond warfare" a series of Israeli strikes on the southern city of Rafah in the past few days, which he said had killed mostly women and children. The strikes included one on Saturday night, after which a premature baby was delivered from the womb of her pregnant mother, who was killed along with her husband and other daughter. Mr Türk also again warned against a full-scale Israeli ground assault on Rafah, where 1.5 million displaced civilians are sheltering, saying it would lead to further breaches of international humanitarian law and human rights law. In response, the IDF said it was "operating to dismantle Hamas military and administrative capabilities". "In stark contrast to Hamas' intentional attacks on Israeli men, women and children, the IDF follows international law and takes feasible precautions to mitigate civilian harm," it added. |
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54214
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: meanwhile Israel won't allow independent investigators into Gaza..Why?
URL: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/30/un-chief-calls-for-independent-probe-into-gaza-mass-graves
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UN chief calls for independent probe into Gaza mass graves Antonio Guterres says it is ‘imperative’ that independent investigators are allowed the immediate access to mass graves in Gaza to determine the circumstances behind the deaths. United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says Israel's military assault on Rafah would 'be an unbearable escalation' [File: Eduardo Munoz/Reuters] Published On 30 Apr 2024 United Nations chief Antonio Guterres has demanded an independent investigation into reports by Palestinian authorities of mass graves discovered in Gaza after bodies with hands tied or medical tubes attached to them were found in multiple sites, including two hospitals. “It is imperative that independent international investigators with forensic expertise are allowed the immediate access to the sites of these mass graves to establish the precise circumstances under which the Palestinians lost their lives and were buried or reburied,” Guterres said on Tuesday. KEEP READING list of 3 items list 1 of 3 ‘Gaza’s entrepreneurs are being killed by Israel’ list 2 of 3 Gaza’s orphans: Pain without borders list 3 of 3 Photos: Israel’s war on Gaza’s children end of list The UN secretary-general also urged Israel against invading southern Gaza’s city of Rafah, the last refuge for more than 1.4 million Palestinians, after the Israeli prime minister said an offensive would go forward regardless of the outcome of truce talks with Hamas. A military assault on Rafah would “be an unbearable escalation, killing thousands more civilians and forcing hundreds of thousands to flee,” he told reporters. He added that while there has been “incremental progress” towards averting “an entirely preventable, human-made famine” in northern Gaza, much more is urgently needed, including for Israel to follow through on its promise to open “two crossing points between Israel and northern Gaza, so that aid can be brought into Gaza from Ashdod port and Jordan”. He cited the lack of security for aid workers and civilians as the major obstacle to distributing aid across Gaza. “I again call on the Israeli authorities to allow and facilitate safe, rapid and unimpeded access for humanitarian aid and humanitarian workers, including UNRWA, throughout Gaza,” he said. UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini told journalists on Tuesday that aid supplies into Gaza had improved in April, but listed a series of continuing difficulties including regular crossing closures “because they [Israel] are dumping released detainees or dumping sometimes bodies taken to Israel and back to the Gaza Strip.” Juliette Touma, a spokesperson for the UN’s refugee agency for Palestinians, said that Israel had sent 225 bodies to Gaza in three containers since December that were then transported by the UN agency to local health authorities for burial, shutting the crossing temporarily. Advertisement She did not have details of the circumstances of their deaths and said it was not UNRWA’s mandate to investigate. Palestinian authorities have previously said that Israel has returned bodies after confirming they were not hostages. They said they were trying to identify them and figure out where they were killed. Tensions are high between Israel and UNRWA, with the former accusing 19 UNRWA staff of involvement in the October 7 Hamas-led attack against Israel that killed at least 1,139 people, according to an Al Jazeera tally based on Israeli statistics. Israel’s allegations are being examined by UN investigators although a separate review found Israel has yet to provide evidence for accusations that hundreds of UNRWA staff are members of armed groups. More than 34,000 people have been killed in Israel’s war on Gaza since October 7, according to Palestinian authorities. |
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54194
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Please post evidence of arsenal in hospitals, schools, churches
| it's propaganda |
54197
From: mitea, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Please post evidence ?? From you?!?
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Oh. Charging *me* with posting propaganda and you want proof? Well, does this mean you will stop posting propaganda without proof/ third party verification? What about all those twisted headings that have little reference to the actual posts? Going to stop that, too? Lots of room for improvement for you on the anti- propaganda front. Please, show me how that is done. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: okay
| don't back up your claim with evidence. |
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54198
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: please post evidence of Hamas ammo in hospitals
| If I'm wrong I'll have no problem admitting it. |
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54201
From: m, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: please post evidence of Hamas ...
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Found too many to choose according to your original request. I'll leave it to you. |
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54196
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: why is IDF's HQ in middle of Tel aviv, Israel's most populated city?(NT)
| (NT) |
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54211
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: naturally, no reply... (NT)
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