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Date: April 16, 2024 at 20:13:18
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Iran’s strike on Israel was much more successful than it seems |
URL: Here’s why |
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Tehran’s retaliatory attack may not have caused much
destruction, but it was far from a failure
Abbas Juma
By Abbas Juma, an international journalist, political
commentator, Middle East and Africa specialist
On the night of April 14, Iran and its proxy forces
launched a series of cruise missile and kamikaze drone
strikes on Israeli territory. The attacks did not come
as a surprise. Tehran had warned that it would respond
to the Israeli airstrike on Iran’s consulate in
Damascus, Syria, on April 1, which killed several high-
ranking officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
Corps (IRGC), including two generals. The retaliatory
strike was called Operation True Promise.
There is still much debate on whether Iran’s retaliatory
strike was successful. Most military experts agree that
there was nothing unusual about Tehran’s actions, except
that this was Iran’s first direct attack on Israel. From
a technical point of view, the strategy was simple and
correct: Iran first suppressed the enemy’s air defense
systems with drones and then launched hypersonic
missiles which the Israelis and Americans were not able
to intercept. Incidentally, in light of this, Ukraine’s
statements about shooting down Russian Kinzhal
hypersonic missiles sound ridiculous.
Do not jump to conclusions
Many experts were skeptical about Iran’s strike and
hastened to say that the retaliation did not live up to
expectations. Given the clip thinking of most
commentators, this reaction is hardly surprising. Their
reasoning resembles a Hollywood blockbuster stuffed with
special effects, where the end of the world and its
miraculous salvation fit into 90-120 minutes, with a
love scene in the middle. In real life, things are
different. As Sun Tzu wrote in ancient times, to fight
100 battles and win 100 battles is not the height of
skill. The best way to win is not to fight at all. This
is Iran’s strategy. Its strike against Israel was not so
much a military response as a grandmaster’s move in a
big chess game. And the game is not over yet.
Iranian consulate in Syria’s capital, Tehran found
itself in a tough situation. It had to respond in a way
that would look convincing and would achieve specific
military goals, but would not start World War III.
To achieve the first point, Iran had to carry out a
direct strike without resorting exclusively to proxy
forces – and that is indeed how it acted. Regarding the
second point, even though most of the missiles and
drones were indeed shot down, some managed to penetrate
Israeli air space and hit military targets. The Chief of
Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri,
said that the information center on the Israeli-Syrian
border and Israel’s Nevatim air base were hit. And
finally, as to the third point – war didn’t happen. This
resembled the situation in 2020, when the Iranians hit
US bases in Iraq in response to the assassination of
General Soleimani.
However, it is still too early to speculate as to
whether Iran’s attack was a success or not. The big
question now is how Israel will respond.
What Iran has accomplished
It’s important to emphasize that Iran’s operation
carried more political than military weight. In this
sense, it was carried out subtly and was a success.
Obviously, the Iranians did not want to start a war
which would involve the US, even though that is what
Netanyahu wanted. In other words, Israel didn’t manage
to provoke Iran.
It is also obvious that the Islamic Republic possesses
more powerful drones and missiles than those used in the
attack on April 14. However, even the less advanced
drones and missiles were able to penetrate Israeli air
space and inflict economic damage, since Israel spent
much more money on shooting down the missiles and drones
than Iran spent on launching them.
Tehran has once again demonstrated that Israel is not
invulnerable, and it is possible to attack it. As for
the degree of inflicted damage, which some commentators
were unsatisfied with, it largely depends on the type of
missiles and drones used in the attack – and Iran has a
lot of military equipment.
Israel promises ‘response’ to Iranian attack
Finally, Iran’s main achievement is that it has managed
to confuse Israel in the same way that it was confused
after the October 7 Hamas attack. The country has to
respond. But how? Should Israel strike Iranian proxy
forces? This is possible, but Israel does it all the
time without much result. Should it hit Iran directly?
But that would start a war which no one is prepared for,
including the US.
Conclusion
The ball is now in Israel’s court, and the country faces
the same challenges that the Islamic Republic did after
April 1. But will Israel be able to solve these
challenges as efficiently?
It is noteworthy that IRGC Commander-in-Chief, Hossein
Salami, said that from now on, if Israel attacks the
interests of Iran and Iranian citizens, Tehran will
strike it again.
This is an important statement. Essentially, the attack
carried out by Iran on April 14 was not just a
retaliatory strike, but established a new order. Iran
demonstrated that it is ready to resort to new means of
influence in a situation where words are not sufficient.
It attacked Israel directly not in order to start a war,
but to demonstrate what could happen if all other
methods of pressure on Israel fail.
A new option has been put forward. Israel may be
deprived of its most important advantage – absolute
impunity, which until recently had been guaranteed by
the US.
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 09:57:55
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Russia committing GENOCIDE in Ukraine. |
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Seriously, chat, if you’re gonna quote RT, you might as well focus on
what Russia is doing. It only makes sense, right?
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 14:13:31
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Russia committing GENOCIDE in Ukraine. |
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You're confusing Akira with facts. Again.
But it wouldn't be the first time Russia killed
Ukrainians, in the 30s they starved to death 13% of the
population before there was a term for it. Then they
called it the Holodomor.
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 19:12:11
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? |
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same question for you, is russia really committing genocide in ukraine?
comparing the 2 situations in 2 years 10,000 civilians including 500
children have been killed by russia in ukraine. contrast that with israel
killing more than 30,000 civilians in just 6 months including 14,500
children and over 10,000 women. makes it damned obvious who is
intentionally targeting civilian populations. russia killing 500 children in 2
years is a tragedy. israel killing 14,500 children in 6 months is a war crime
and crime against humanity
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 15:48:38
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? Why yes. |
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Okey dokey.
By definitions detailed here, an invasion that flattens
villages and towns, targeting schools, hospitals,
kidnapping children, raping women, creating *millions*
of refugees, and terrorizing an entire population,
that's genocide.
As to number, Russia in the 30s killed 13% of
Ukrainians by starvation, creating suffering for the
entire population and drove some to Hitler, the only
strong alternative to Stalin. Palestine has not lost
2%. Jews in Europe were reduced by over 60%.
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 16:32:56
From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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we aren’t talking about the holodomor of 90 years ago. someone made the
stupid claim that russia is committing genocide in ukraine but i pointed
out the fact that russia has killed 500 children in 2 years while israel has
killed 14,500 children in just 6 months in gaza. nothing that happened in
the 1930’s or 40’s can justify the massive scale of slaughter currently
happening in gaza
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 17:34:19
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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Okay:
The Genocide Convention defines genocide as any of five
"acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
part, a national, (Russia has spent 10 years trying to
destroy Ukraine's nationality)
ethnical, (attacking Ukrainian identity)
racial (same race)
or religious group. (related religious group)"
These five acts include:
killing members of the group, (Today the BBC reported
the number of Russian soldiers killed in the war in
Ukraine had topped 50,000.)
causing them serious bodily or mental harm, (millions
of refugees)
imposing living conditions intended to destroy the
group, (flattening villages and towns count)
preventing births, (destroying hospitals?)
and forcibly transferring children out of the group
(extremely well publicized kidnapping of whole
classrooms of children).
So, genocide isn't about number. Ukrainians qualify
even if not advertised as has Palestinians, whose
attacks on Israelis have been just as genocidal if not
as successful in harm.
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 17:55:45
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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you seem to be trying to twist what is happening in ukraine as a genocide,
even counting dead russian soldiers? are you also denying what is
happening in gaza is a genocide? and when you talk about destroying
hospitals are you talking about israel destroying hospitals? because they
have destroyed more hospitals and killed more healthcare workers in 6
months than russia has in 2 years. comparing what is happening in gaza to
ukraine makes russia look like choirboys and israel look like war criminals
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 22:42:48
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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good grief...what do you call it...a scuffle? have you read about the efforts by pootie to feed the american public bullshit propasanda about ukraine and try to diminish any support for them? mtg sure has fallen for it and apparently some other dipsticks too...
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 23:08:29
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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dude, putin is a bad guy and russia started a war with ukraine. but to see
the difference between war and genocide all anybody has to do is
compare the war in ukraine with the ongoing mass slaughter of civilians in
gaza
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 09:29:31
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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What I saw...is Putin attempted to coerce the population
to his side and take the place over. When then didn't
work ...he went to "wipe them all out and take it
anyway, we'll rebuild and repopulate it with our own"
strategy, which is where it turned to genocidal.
Those are my observations of what it looks like to me in
Ukraine.
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 19:50:35
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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Whom do you think you are addressing?
I gave you the definition of genocide by the Genocide
Convention and showed where and how it applies to
Ukraine. No twisting necessary.
I do not deny what is happening in Gaza or in Israel by
Hamas is genocide. I simply note that the label
genocide can be applied to both sides of this war.
Russia as choirboys would be a hard sell in Europe, and
is not doing so well in Russia as mothers are paying
high prices to get their boys out of Dodge. Israel as
war criminals seems to be a consensus except with those
who understand urban warfare is an ugly business.
Hamas should have left it alone, if it can be said
Israel is a war criminal, Hamas got there first.
I am not denouncing Israelis or Palestinian people,
both are in need of peace and safety. May all find
them quickly.
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 20:46:04
From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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that definition doesn’t match what is happening in ukraine even if you
count the dead russian soldiers. on the other hand the definition of
genocide matches what israel is doing in gaza. no one is asking anyone to
denounce palestinian or israeli peoples. but the current state of israel
should be denounced for what are crimes against humanity and war
crimes. urban warfare is no excuse for what israel is doing to the
civilian population of gaza
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 22:44:56
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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you don't seem to know what is happening in ukraine...mitra laid it out quite well that what they are doing is, by definition, genocide...
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Date: April 18, 2024 at 23:26:43
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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no, mitra made that claim and it fell flat on it’s ass because it isn’t true. in
ukraine 500 ukranian children have been killed in 2 years. hell as she said
russia has lost 50,000 of its own soldiers so for the massive scale of the
war in ukraine civilian casualties are relatively light. contrast that with
14,500 children and over 10,000 women killed in gaza in just 6 months
and its pretty damned obvious there is a war occurring in ukraine while in
gaza a civilian population is being intentionally annihilated. it is genocide,
a war crime and a crime against humanity what israel is doing to the
palestinians
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 09:31:19
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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you are just looking at one part of genocide as defined by the geneva convention... israel and russia are both guilty of it...
imposing living conditions intended to destroy the
group, (flattening villages and towns count) also the attacks on infrastructure, taking out power plants and transmission centers, roads, bridges and water supplies...
preventing births, (destroying hospitals?)
and forcibly transferring children out of the group
(extremely well publicized kidnapping of whole
classrooms of children). (Dec 26, 2023 Ukraine says it has verified the names of more than 19,000 children who have been transferred to Russia or Russian-controlled territory.)
your "rebuttal" falls flat...
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 10:34:36
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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so your position is that both israel and russia are committing genocide?
but that russia is doing it without slaughtering women and children??
seems quite a stretch since russia hasn’t made most ukrainians
homeless by destroying their homes and isn’t exterminating the people
like israel has done in the past 6 months
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 13:42:46
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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yep...you don't have to slaughter women and children to be committing genocide...did you even read the definition mitra put up? and different situations...gaza is a much smaller area...
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 14:16:43
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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yup, read the definition and mitra even had to include the 50,000 dead
russian soldiers and what is happening in ukraine still didn’t meet the
definition. but what is happening in gaza does. civilian loss of life and
homelessness is small in ukraine typical of a country in a war. the vast
majority of hospitals in ukraine are still functioning which isn’t true at all
for gaza. widespread famine isn’t happening in ukraine but israel is
making it happen in gaza. in gaza the situation does match the definition
of genocide, which strangely mitra denies
comparing ukraine and gaza shows that ukraine is suffering from the
horrible conditions of a war and the people of gaza are being intentionally
annihilated
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 15:29:14
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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sounds like a personal problem...
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 15:40:26
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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you don’t always have to make things personal when you realize you are
wrong
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 17:47:35
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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to quote another poster, "piss off and stop trolling me asshole"...lol...
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Date: April 20, 2024 at 10:54:02
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 12:24:55
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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Then if it isn't by quality of activity but by number,
what is happening in Gaza doesn't qualify since the
term was coined to cover the killing of the Jews in
Europe.
Now over 60%of Jews disappeared in Europe during the
war, and not 2% of Palestinians have died in Gaza.
By your own argument, what is happening in Gaza is not
genocide.
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 12:44:41
From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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no, any way you look at it what is happening in gaza is genocide. bopp
jumped in to dispute if russia if committing genocide but by pretty much
any criteria what israel is doing in gaza is genocide. just because the term
was coined for what happened to the jews in europe 80 years ago doesn’t
mean israel isn’t committing genocide now
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Date: April 19, 2024 at 13:43:51
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? not even close |
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you are all over the place dude and not making a lot of coherent sense...
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 13:56:01
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: suddenly genocide is a problem for you? |
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 12:29:31
From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? |
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sure i realize it was just a dumbass comment but comparing the 2
situations in 2 years 10,000 civilians including 500 children have been
killed by russia in ukraine. contrast that with israel killing more than
30,000 civilians in just 6 months including 14,500 children and over
10,000 women. at this point israel is making russia look like choirboys!
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 14:13:39
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: but are they really? |
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Sorry dude, you failed. Would you like to try again?
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 09:20:40
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: RTnews: Russian/very low cred/propaganda/CTs/failed facts |
URL: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/ |
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Overall, we rate RT Questionable based on promoting
pro-Russian propaganda, conspiracy theories, numerous
failed fact checks, and a lack of author transparency.
Detailed Report
Reasoning: Russian Propaganda, Conspiracy, Lack of
Transparency, Some Fake News
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: VERY LOW
Country: Russia
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: TOTAL OPPRESSION
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
...In review, RT News presents news that is generally
in line with the Russian Government’s narrative. When
it comes to covering USA/International News, they
provide right-of-center coverage. They are highly
biased in favor of Russia and occasionally run Pro-
state conspiracy stories. The Columbia Journalism
Review calls RT “The Kremlin’s propaganda outlet.”..
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Date: April 17, 2024 at 09:46:29
From: chatillon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: mediabias'fact'check trolling(NT) |
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