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53164
From: Mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Just to be clear
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I am not a Zionist. However, the incessant pro-Hamas posts present Hamas as victims when they have acted the aggressors and through their Jihad have further polarized the plight of the Palestinians, prohibiting compromise and freedoms, milking and promoting misery. The people, all people, deserve better representation than war mongering cowards hiding behind a starving population. |
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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“However, the incessant pro-Hamas posts present Hamas as victims” is that true? folks portray the palestinian civilians, mostly women and children as victims. but don’t think i’ve seen anyone claiming hamas are victims |
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53189
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Mitra is a fabulist. She needs to see what she needs to see. It allows her to paint Israelis as victims, Palestinians as enemies. It's intellectually hollow and just sad. |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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"Palestinians as enemies"?? That is just wrong. I do see Hamas as the enemy of Palestinians, posted links and statements how they have preyed on the innocent. Blame Hamas. |
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53188
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Yes. The Palestinians cannot be protrayed as victims of only one side of the war, Israeli this, Israeli that. It's like talking about the civilians in WWII that the USA killed in Manila without mentioning the Japanese they were going after. Hamas started this and cannot win without the help they are generating from the misery they continue to create with the keeping of hostages and hiding behind a desperate population. The Palestinians need relief. Destroy Hamas. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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you keep comparing this to a real war such as ww2 but this isn’t that kind of war. hamas has no tanks, no planes, no ships. hamas isn’t even a legitimate government and their leadership may or may not be in gaza. israel can’t continue to slaughter civilians while claiming hamas started it. what they are doing at this point is a war crime. this is not only a tragedy but they have ensured the next several generations of terrorism against israel regardless of what happens to hamas |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Did Hamas without "tanks, planes, ships" keep them from terrorism/guerrilla warfare? Thousands of missiles and more thousands of dead of Israeli and Palestinians? This is not war on a battlefield, it's in town, but a war it is. Israel declared war on October 8. These Hamas may not be a first world military power, but they have killed almost 2% of their own plus Israelis. From the point of view of Israelis they must continue to destroy Hamas for their own and Palestinians' peace. All wars look like war crimes in the middle, which is one reason wars aren't the answer. Hamas opened the door to hell, the only way out for them is death or surrender. Then the population may have a chance at peace. One reason I took this stance on the board was because there was so much one sided posting. I don't believe that could possibly be accurate. While Israel does not proceed as I would like, Hamas is far from innocent. What Israel is doing looks like a war crime, but as long as Hamas who started this war hides in a desperate population and continues without surrender, according to Israel it must continue, so blame Hamas for the dead, the injured, the hungry and each day without ceasefire. It would stop in a heartbeat with Hamas surrender. I don't believe there are any hostages to trade or they would have. So I ask, why would Hamas allow their people to suffer when they could save them with a surrender? Who commits the war crime here? |
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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there is one sided posting on this because at this point most people think what israel is doing is horrible as they slaughter civilians. 10/7 was a tragedy and israel had widespread support. but people now see slaughtering civilians on a massive scale isn’t a war or in any way defeating hamas still not nice to say anyone is supporting hamas as we speak up about the innocent women and children israel is killing in large numbers |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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"still not nice to say anyone is supporting hamas ..." in fact dare I say, it's "emotionally reactive", aside from being false. |
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53233
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
| they are just confused people...lots of them too...pray for them... |
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53202
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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I wish to God that Israel would be more creative than they have chosen to fight this war. But I do not fault them for bringing bunker busters to a bunker fight, or not wanting to lose another soldier to Hamas. In my view, it is only Hamas doing the killing. As soon as they surrender the wind goes out of the sails of Israeli fight, the UN/or someone can safely monitor the situation and start to give these people relief. Until Hamas surrenders the war goes on, and I don't fault Israel for wanting peace. If you don't support Hamas then blame them and let them go. Truly support Palestinians and freedom from their oppressors, Hamas. |
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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i wish hamas was gone, but regardless the mass slaughter of civilians by israel is wrong, bottom line, period, wrong |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Tell me, how would you extricate a militia from a population? History has some options. I can tell you how China did it. Re-education and concentration camps for all Uighars,(million missing) Tibetans (2 million+ and still at it), Falun Gong, and as of last year 250,000 Nomads disappeared. Going back to the Cultural Revolution when millions were moved out and when those were under control the CCP put the Red Guards who had shuffled those millions about on trains, and pushed them out of boxcars into the Gobi desert without food or water. Problem solved. Remember all those recalcitrant Japanese who supposedly committed Hari Kari? Eh. No. Americans took no prisoners. But the Nisei were far from home, easy. When the Japanese hid in Manila, 150,000 civilians were killed getting to them. Germany had 250,000 soldiers in camps "disappeared" into Russia after WWII. They were also not in towns. East Germany, Poland, Czech populations suffered for generations under iron thumbs in recorded ways. The Rape of Nanking, Manchuria and Korea is how Japan solved a similar problem. Millions were killed to control populations there. The USA gave Hitler the brilliant concentration camp idea for the final solution, they had been so successful with the American Indians. Turkey marched Armenians out to the desert. No more opposition. The Muslims had a long history, although they didn't invent the practice of selling the marketable population off as slaves. They sold more African slaves to China than to the west. China just didn't allow them to procreate. And let's not forget England who starved Ireland and for minor transgressions sent generations to slavery in the Caribbean cane fields and Australian prisons. Humans haven't had a good track record of solving these problems. But I'm open to hearing how it might be done humanely with Facebook watching. I have an idea, Palestinians give up Hamas and trade them for peace. Israel let them have a home of their own, but no one can even have that conversation until Hamas surrenders. |
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53226
From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: How many Hamas members has Israel killed to date?(NT)
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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agreed that what israel is doing will be on a list with many of the worst acts ever against civilian populations. wish i had the answers but slaughtering civilians is not a way to solve anything |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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"what israel is doing will be on a list with many of the worst" (?) not even close, not in number or percentage (to date not 2%). I'm glad the world is watching, the sympathies are right to be with a people who are losing lives and homes, why not vilify the cause of those losses and blame Hamas? In the long history of warfare, we don't have a way to stop the slaughter of civilians when a militia hides in a population. If Hamas cared about their people they would have allowed them to vote, shared resources equally, encouraged education and having committed horrible crimes, surrender. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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hamas started this on 10/7, but israel is responsible for the mass slaughter of civilians in gaza. the hamas attack didn’t give israel a license to kill women and children |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Ah, but there you are wrong.. Hamas made their citizens targets.. Hamas hides amongst them, Hamas continues to throw bombs and say they will never stop. Hamas is 100% responsible for EVERY SINGLE DEATH. And the sooner you get over your manipulated bullshit feelings the sooner you might have a thought that could help the situation. As it is you perpetuate the disaster way more than Israel does. It’s YOUR fault. Grow up and take responsibility for yourself. If you want to help start thinking! |
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From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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"Hamas made their citizens targets." Thank you, thank you. |
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From: old timer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
| get help dude |
53218
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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Seriously, OT. You gotta let go of the emotions, at least enough to reason through all this. There's a solution, but it involves everyone wanting peace. And Hamas does not want peace. Iran does not want peace. So, you want the 'poor innocent people of Gaza' to not be slaughtered, but man their own government is using them, is causing them to be slaughtered. In other words, the minute Hamas stops throwing bombs, and lets go of their hostages, the whole shootin' match is over. But Hamas doesn't want it to end. And, on top of that, Hamas wants you to whine. Hamas is using your emotions against your own people. They have their hands on your gonads and are squeezing. And you're crying out exactly as they have programed you to. You're working for Hamas. With every post you make you're a spokesperson for Iran. In other words, it's your emotions that are out of balance here.. it's on you man. |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: "you're working for Hamas...you're a spokesperson for Iran"
| you're a clown. An emotionally reactive clown, to boot! |
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From: old timer , [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
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israel doesn’t get a free pass to murder innocent women and children until hamas is gone. not emotional, the slaughter of so many innocents is wrong |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Just to be clear
| they are just confused people...lots of them...pray for them too... |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Biden is
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which is why he's been facilitating Israel's extermination of Palestinians for nearly 5 months. psychopaths Biden & netanyahu.. brothers from different mothers. "'I am a Zionist': How Joe Biden's lifelong bond with Israel shapes war policy By Matt Spetalnick, Jeff Mason, Steve Holland and Patricia Zengerle October 21, 2023 WASHINGTON, Oct 21 (Reuters) - When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: "I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist." The politicians and generals gathered in the ballroom of the Tel Aviv hotel nodded in approval, according to a U.S. official knowledgeable of the closed- door remarks, even as Israel bombarded Gaza in retaliation for a devastating attack by Palestinian Hamas militants and with a ground invasion looming. Biden, who is of Irish Catholic descent, has used similar words in the past to profess his affinity for Israel. But the moment, which has not been previously reported, illustrates how Biden's decades as one of the leading "Friends of Israel" in American politics seem to be guiding him during a defining crisis of his presidency. It also underscores the challenges he faces balancing unwavering support for Israel with persuading Netanyahu - with whom he has a long history - to avoid worsening the civilian death toll and humanitarian meltdown in Gaza as well as complicating further releases of American hostages. "Biden's connection to Israel is deeply engrained in his political DNA," said Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East negotiator who served six secretaries of state in both Democratic and Republican administrations. "Whether he likes it or not, he's in the midst of a crisis he'll have to manage." Reuters interviewed a dozen current and former aides, lawmakers and analysts, some of whom said Biden's current wartime embrace of Netanyahu could afford the U.S. leverage to try to moderate Israel's response in Gaza." |
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From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Biden is
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God Damn, are you really that blind!?! At this point you've taken over the International board for your own jihad.. Why not cut to the chase and move to Palestine? Get yourself a Hamas lover and become one of their many wives? You'd love having a sick killer as your lord and master, wouldn't you? What a waste of life. |
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From: Mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The Saudi & Putin Scheme for Screwing Biden's Election Hopes
URL: https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-saudi-and-putin-scheme-for-screwing-1e4
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So much more at stake than Jihadists. So, get ready: it’s coming this fall. And unless the administration acts quickly, there will be nothing they can do about it. Gas at $6 a gallon could easily throw the election to Trump… THOM HARTMANN MAR 5, 2024 Have you noticed gas prices are rising? Get ready: you ain’t seen nothing yet. The bloodthirsty leader of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia loves his dictatorial soul-mate Donald Trump and is today setting the stage to intervene in November’s election in a big way, much like he did with a smaller test run during the fall of 2022 when he drove US gas prices up above $5, forcing President Biden to release oil from the US strategic petroleum reserve. As Stanley Reed reported for the Business pages of The New York Times three days ago: “Saudi Arabia, the de facto leader of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, said Sunday that it would extend [their one-million-barrels-a-day] cuts in oil production through June, noting that it was acting ‘in coordination with some’ other states.” That “other state” would be their OPEC+ partner Russia, which also announced last weekend a simultaneous production cut of 471,000 barrels a day. Putin wants Trump back in the White House, too. This time, though, because Trump refused to block the sale of America’s largest gasoline refinery to Saudi Arabia in 2017 (completed in 2019 with Trump’s blessing), no matter how much oil Biden releases from the reserves will be irrelevant: if the Saudis shut down their Port Arthur, Texas refinery this October “for maintenance,” US gasoline prices will explode. It’s the largest refinery in America, as Foreign Policy magazine noted in May 2017: “Port Arthur, referred to as the ‘crown jewel’ of U.S. refinery infrastructure, can process 600,000 barrels of oil a day.” That alone is enough to radically swing gasoline prices in the US. So, get ready: it’s coming this fall. And unless the administration acts quickly, there will be nothing they can do about it. Gas at $6 a gallon could easily throw the election to Trump, as Biden will take the blame (just like in November 2022) and Fox “News” and rightwing hate media will hang gas prices around his neck like a flaming tire. MBS and his sovereign wealth fund have funneled literally billions of dollars into the Trump family, between Jared’s investment company and Trump’s golf courses and the LIV Tour, in addition to giving Trump himself additional hundreds of millions over the years renting and purchasing Trump properties. During Trump’s presidency, MBS funneled additional millions directly into the Trump family’s pockets via Trump’s DC hotel and NYC properties in clear violation of the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution. In exchange, Trump broke with the US tradition of new presidents visiting democratic allies and made Saudi Arabia his first overseas destination, blowing away congressional concern about MBS having ordered the brutal murder and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi and elevating the international status of that country beyond anything ever done by any US president. Trump followed that up by organizing a 2019 sale of $8.1 billion in US weaponry in clear violation of US law (such sales require congressional approval). When the Senate voted to block the sale, Trump killed their effort. As Frontline noted in a July 2019 report: “Both chambers have registered their disapproval of the emergency declaration — the Senate voted to block the sale in June. President Trump, however, has pledged to shoot down the measure when it arrives at his desk.” When Saudi Arabia and Russia tried to screw Biden and the Democrats by cutting oil production — in October leading up to the midterm 2022 elections — President Biden was furious. Russell Baker wrote about it for The New York Times on October 11, 2022: “President Biden vowed on Tuesday to impose ‘consequences’ on Saudi Arabia for teaming up with Russia to cut oil production, signaling a rupture in the relationship between two longtime allies and a reversal of his own effort to cultivate the energy-rich kingdom. “Amid deep anger over last week’s decision by the Saudi-led OPEC Plus, Mr. Biden’s staff announced that he would re-evaluate the entire relationship with Saudi Arabia and expressed openness to retaliatory measures offered by congressional Democrats such as curbing arms sales or permitting legal action against the cartel. “‘There’s going to be some consequences for what they’ve done with Russia,’ Mr. Biden told CNN’s Jake Tapper in an interview broadcast on Tuesday night.” Weighing in for Democratic Senate leadership, Illinois Senator Dick Durban added on an October, 2022 CNN appearance: “Let’s be very candid about this. It’s Putin and Saudi Arabia against the United States.” The Saudis are well aware of the power of gas prices over US politics. Retired Saudi Oil Ministry Adviser Ibrahim Al-Muhanna wrote in his book Oil Leaders: An Insider’s Account of Four Decades of Saudi Arabia and OPEC's Global Energy Policy: “During the midterm election in 2018, President Trump pushed for lower oil prices—meaning gasoline—and he succeeded, but he used completely different methods. In the middle of June 2018, the oil price was about $75 and the gasoline price in the United States was more than $3.50 in some states. Trump was worried that the Republican Party might lose the majority in both houses of Congress. … “The OPEC+ group, led by Saudi Arabia and Russia, decided in June 2018 to increase their production by 1.2 MBD. Saudi Arabian production in November rose to more than 11.3 MBD, its highest ever.” For reference, Saudi oil production right now is standing at around 9 million barrels a day, and they just announced a million-barrel-a-day production cut to kick in this summer/fall just in time for the presidential election. So, what can President Biden do? One step would be to nationalize the Port Arthur refinery, the “crown jewel” essential to US energy security that never should have been sold to a foreign nation. I’ve written extensively about the process of nationalization here and here, but it would require congressional approval and would probably take more time than Biden has before the November election. Nonetheless, it would be a shot across the bow of Saudi Arabia and may get their attention sufficiently to stop their intended manipulation of US gas prices this fall. And it’s the right thing to do, even if it takes a year or more. Another would be to take America back to the oil export policy that was put into place during the Nixon administration, prohibiting the export of any US crude petroleum products. US oil production is higher today than it’s ever been in history, and in 2019 America achieved technical energy independence, as noted by the US Energy Information Administration: |
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From: akira, [DNS_Address]
Subject: compulsively changing the topic doesn't bolster your credibility much(NT)
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53185
From: ao, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: said by one who has none..
| Literally, in what universe is being blind to the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas credible? |
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53183
From: mitra, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Perhaps I missed illustrating the link for you
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Biden, as Zionist, incurs the disregard of Saudis who will help Putin (and his friends visiting Mar a Lago) upset the economy for the election and subsequent defeat of Ukraine and eventual control of Europe as a gift for helping the Lago resident out of his cash shortage. The Saudis cement their control of the Middle East and Israel has no recourse, because despite the former presidents blustering, he's in bed with those who are paying his legal bills and will jet Bibi as he has so, so, so many others. Americans, their economy, and their lives are less to those predators than Palestinians to Hamas. Get it now? It's okay, we all need help sometimes. |
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