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98847
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
URL: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/seismograms/latest
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Hi all, since approximately 1march2025 the URL https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/seismograms/latest produces the following error messages "Not Found. The requested URL was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request." I find the disappearance of the seismos and their data quite disturbing. Over the past 17 years the USGS (or whoever is in charge for the website) several seismogram links were deactivated, meaning the URL is still accessible but does not present any data. Todays procedure goes one step further. The URLs were disappeared. Someone must have removed the seismogram files or links to the files. What are we not supposed to see? The cancelling of access to seismograms began no later than March 2008 when the San Bruno seismo was deactivated after showing high activity signals for quite some time. I posted about this on this forum. San Bruno is a few km west of SFO airport. Two and a half years later, in September 2010, a tremendous gas explosion took place in San Bruno when a 30inch natural gas line ruptured, supposedly. Perhaps the seismologists should have looked at the SanBruno seismo more often. It showed strong earth movement in spring 2008. What it showed later I don愒 know since the seismo was deactivated around March 2008, if my memory serves me right. A request to URL https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/ is automatically replaced with https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake-hazards/monitoring. There is no mention of where the old seismo links can be found. Is it good science to disappear links to data which are not liked for some reason? sequoia |
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98861
From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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click on region and view seismograph other sites https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake- hazards/seismogram-displays https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/ https://stationview.raspberryshake.org/#/? lat=45.28951&lon=-122.34213&zoom=8.000 |
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From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ncedc seismos now without data
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Hi jordan the seismos at https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/ are now NOT presenting data either. They appear as map and list links for NC channel but do not show any data on the website. sequoia |
98889
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ncedc seismos now without data
| welcome to rump/musk world... |
98895
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: ncedc seismos still without data
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Hi ryan, trump/musk and the doge don't benefit from disconnecting seismogramm links. Why should they even spend a second on this craziness? Could it be a "disgruntled employee thing" who decide to sabotage their own networks? It's a strange world isn't it? sequoia |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: ncedc seismos still without data
URL: https://www.notus.org/health-science/doge-alaska-volcano-observatory
| because they don't know what they are doing...and don't understand the consequences...like firing the nuke people and then realizing they need them...like firing thousands of federal workers illegally...like closing the volcano observatories in alaska...i'd much more believe this is the result of their lunacy than a "disgruntled" employee...expect more of the same... |
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98869
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi jordan thanks ver much for the links. The iris website shows much improvement over earlier days. But it does not seem to include the stations from the USGS website https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/seismograms/latest So the question remains where can those seismos be found? Iris has some stations in the vicinity of the lost ones. It is a mystery why the above USGS locations do not appear on Iris. I know the raspberryquake and ncedc channels. They both provide a lot of information but also don愒 replace the wanted locations. sequoia |
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98870
From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
URL: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/operations/heliplot.php?virtual_network=GSN
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Hello Sequoa I assume your talking about these? after the usgs upgrade everything went to a another url update if this is it click here https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquake- hazards/seismogram-displays click here Global Seimographic Network (GSN) |
98871
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi jordan, thanks for your reply. I am not talking about the GSN network but about this one: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/seismograms/latest Perhaps you know of or can find a back door to those seismos. They covered primarily Northern and Central California. sequoia |
98873
From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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is this it https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/ |
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From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi jordan, I have not yet found seismos on this page https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/ which are close enough to the locations of the wanted instruments for their signals to be sufficiently similar. On the wanted page https://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitoring/seismograms/latest there are numerous seismos which appear to be presented nowhere else. Why they are not listed on ncedc.org I don愒 know. sequoia |
98879
From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Emailed asking for the correct link to be fixed. hope the other seismo helped. |
98881
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi jordan, finally I have found some of the "lost" seismos on ncedc.org in the list under NC in the networks tool on the right side of the page. But many, I would guess about half of them, are not listed in the NC channel of ncedc.org The presentation of the seismos on ncedc is differnt from the USGS ../ ... webpage. But it is useable. So, yes, the links have helped. Thanks a lot. Perhaps some of the lost NC seismos reveal their hidden presence elsewhere. I would very much appreciate if you post the response from the USGS if you get any. The deliberate "disactivation" of certain seismos when their contents goes spectacularly wild for too long is a different matter. The San Bruno seismo (a few km west of SFO airport) which was disconnected from the public in the spring of 2008 is one example. sequoia |
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From: jordan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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still have not heard back, maybe if any usgs view the board they can help. |
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98854
From: eaamon, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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it will not get much better I'm afraid..... NOAA and possible tornado threats may be lacking. who knows about the FAA or FCC, news media cut from the White House. WWIII as what started as a Nazi take over in the 30's now Russia takeover of weaker countries. it is so similar.... I could go on |
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98849
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
URL: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=-79.93592,-389.17969&extent=84.9901,199.33594
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What do you mean, not working- this has been up and working- I go to it often even tho it says at top they are still working on the functionality. Even earthboppin link works, And I made mention other day, the map showing US -Gulf of Mexico is now reading Gulf of America. |
98851
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi Pamela, I am not referring to the earthquake map but to the webpage displaying the access point for seismograms. That is an entirely different thing. sequoia |
98852
From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
URL: https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/where-can-i-see-current-or-past-seismograms
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or this one? https://pnsn.org/seismograms |
98857
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi pamela. thanks for the pnsn.org link. I am aware of that. It covers Washington and Oregon. To my knowledge the USGS seismos for California are not contained inside psns, at least not those which I have been following. It would be nice if the California instruments would have been migrated to pnsn. There is another service at ncedc.org from UCBerkeley. https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/table/ https://ncedc.org/waveformDisplay/ But I have not yet found the missing seismos there either. Perhaps they are hidden somewhere deep inside their NC (NorthernCalifornia) network segment and pop up some day when I least expect it. sequoia |
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From: pamela, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Thks Sequoia, think I will put inquiry to John Vidale and ask him where to find them,,Maybe he knows. |
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98848
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
| elon musk...welcome to the rump dictatorship... |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Guess from here on we're going with Trump's strategy on how to hide covid deaths "If you don't count them, they don't exist"... If an earthquake happens, and there's no seismo...it doesn't exist? No worries...he'll make some seismograms with his sharpie and sell them for $100 a pop for you. |
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98850
From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi Ryan, thanks for your comment. It is unlikely that Elon Musk is behind the disappearance of seismos. He appears to be more in the business of revealing things rather than disappearing them. And the practice of deactivating seismos started no later then 2008 when other political elements were dictating things, not Donald Trump, not Elon Musk. Plus they both have nothing to gain from such a disservice to the public. Who could have gained from hiding San Bruno activity beginning March 2008? Who gains from actively disappearing California seismos in 2025? sequoia |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
| perhaps you could enlighten us as to what musty boy has revealed...personally, i'm not seeing anything, mostly because he will not be transparent about what he is doing...but when you cut funding for things, they disappear...wouldn't have taken you for a rumper... |
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98856
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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You're under the impression that anything they do will make sense? That disservice to the public is an actual issue for them? Cutting nuclear safety scientists also made no sense. Cutting ebola programs also made no sense. Pulling down any website that mentioned Climate change also made no sense. This admin is waging a war on science. It could be just a glitch, or a decision by the USGS staff..but I would put my bet on executive interference by the idiots who just took office and handed it to the billionaire and his teenagers. websites have been disappearing across gov. websites since DOGE arrived. |
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From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi Redhart, earth愀 climate has been changing since earth exists. The label climate change has been used by many for collecting easy to get public money without verifiable proof for any of their claims that humans are driving earth愀 climate. How about the climate influence of the sun? Or the interior of the earth? When on a sunny winter day the sun goes away into the dark of the night its tremendous warmth during a sunlit day from massive infrared radiation goes with it and within an hour or two is replaced by lousily cold conditions with zero warmth. Please tell me how humans contribute to this abrupt change. sequoia |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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"Please tell me how humans contribute to this abrupt change." factories, cars, home heating, raising cattle, rapid population increase...we have gone fron 1 billion people on earth to 8 billion people in the last 200 years...that is an abrupt change that directly correlates to the climate change and global warming we are experiencing...in 1800, there were zero cars in the world, now around 1.4 billion...that is certainly a large enough number to make a significant difference in our atmosphere...that number does not include trucks, planes, jets, and ships... |
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From: sequoia, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Hi ryan, according to my TI-30X IIS partly solar powered pocket calculator (from earlier days) about 128 PetaWatt (128,000,000 GigaWatt) of solar power is heating the sunlit part of mother earth愀 surface. You would need 256 billion Red Ferraris with a 500 kiloWatt engine to produce a similar amount of power, or 128 million electric power plants each generating 1 GigaWatt. 128 PetaWatt are equivalent to 16000 kiloWatt per average earthling (based on a 8 billion population). Imagine what you could do with a 16 MegaWatt motorcycle zooming up and down the beautiful California coastline. 128 PetaWatt is also roughly equivalent to 12.8 Trillion households each one consuming 10 kiloWatt. These calculations are rough approximations to get an idea about the scale of solar power versus earthling related power consumption. sequoia |
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From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
| yeah, just imagine...lol... |
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98874
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
| crickets... |
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98868
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
bad graph link...
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98866
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
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Sorry, I can't join you in the climate change denying group. I've simply seen too much. And, it doesn't excuse removing or censoring discussion of it. |
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98853
From: ryan, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: What happened to USGS seismos in California?
| he has been cutting funding roght and left...he's my best guess... |
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