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96578
From: DC, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Will All This Rain Precede a Massive Quake in CA???
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Earthquakes along the San Andreas Fault in California are being triggered by winter rain and snowfall, scientists have discovered. The finding is important as it helps us understand what triggers earthquakes—and when they are more likely to strike. More at the link. |
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96580
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Will All This Rain Precede a Massive Quake in CA???
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lol..haven't seen that much doom mongering in a while. Fact is, water can lubricate faults but it takes water 6 mo-2 yrs to perculate down. And, if I could point out...we've had flooding and heavy rains before and it didn't make the "big one" or split baja off like an island. California has been here a long time. It has floods. It has fires. It has earthquakes. These are all normal occurrances (but hopefully not too often) in the state. They don't mean the apocalypse is nigh, it's just mother nature doing her thing (with some weird weather stuff and pattern you can thank climate change for). The coastal areas are actually growing in elevation and moving north, thanks to tectonic movements (not dropping calif into the ocean). The gulf of California will probably extend up into eastern california at some point....like, millions of years from now some point...as a result of natural tectonic actions and a pacific spreading zone that has been working on it already for millions of years so far. But, this article basically is doom junkie crack and preys on those who are after "OMG!" rather than real science. May I suggest the wowow board or prophecy/dreams or biblical board for this type of doom-entertainment and scientifically bereft material. |
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From: chaskuchar@stcharlesmo, [DNS_Address]
Subject: what about the weight of the water?
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with the central valley being flooded there is more weight on the faults. it might not be significant though. |
96589
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: what about the weight of the water?
URL: https://www.kqed.org/quest/6759/geologic-context-and-history-of-the-san-joaquin-river
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Yes, there is a water weight factor, Charles. There's very few faults on the actual central valley floor, however. There is a concern in the fault rich mountains where dams are refilling rapidly. For instance, lake Isabella --a dammed lake, has had some seismic activity when it was drained before renovating it's dam. Draining or filling are both "changes" in pressure and can trigger some seismicity. (Aswan dam and filling in Egypt is a famous examnple of this phenomenon). btw..the same seismic changes can happen in oil fields with fracking..introducing pressure, injected waste fluids (see Oklahoma: https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/does- fracking-cause-earthquakes). We have a minor version of that in the southern central valley around Bakersfield-Taft. Dams and reservoirs should be monitored for this reason. (Aswan dam and filling in Egypt is a famous examnple of this phenomenon). As for flood waters, California is a very large state and these are very localized cautions..certainly very few have a reservoir in their back yard. so, let's be clear--this is not a water-lubrication change (which, again takes 6mo-2 yrs to perculated down enough into faults), the "weight" situation usually relates to large bodies of water...and can be triggered by lessening of pressure , or increasing it. The "change" of pressure from a previous norm. Most reservoirs are in more remote areas, not population centers. The central valley has miles deep sediments "between" two seismic active zones (Diablos--santa Lucias-coastal mountains & the Sierra Nevadas and Cascades to the north). While there's always the possibility of some minor faults on the valley floor, I don't know of any major faults. I see what's going on, and the failing levees are of a lot more concern. The reduction of the aquifers due to overusing wells are a concern..and actually causing some areas of the central valley to "sink"...tens of feet in some areas..which makes it more prone to flooding. In others, causing salt intrusions (the central valley used to be an inland sea--there's salt way down deep--and too much water can pull up that layer, making the water unusable or farming or drinking). ( https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-water- sinking- 1.5286248#:~:text=For%20more%20than%20a%20century%20far mers%20in%20the,year%2C%22%20says%20recently%20retired% 20NASA%20geologist%20Tom%20Farr. ) If the sea levels continue to rise...it's not impossible to imagine the central valley becoming a shallow, inland sea again as it was some millions of years ago. Not this winter, of course..but over time. That has more to do with sea level changes than the current rainy year, however. https://www.freeworldmaps.net/articles/california- central- valley/#:~:text=Remember%20that%20this%20just%20by%20ad ding%2010%20meters,it%20is%2025%20meters%20above%20the% 20current%20one. The central valley is prone to flooding just due to it's unique geology..it always has been, for hundreds of thousands of years. Modern engineers have created the levee system that now stops flooding that used to be normal. The Wilton situation that flooded..had to do with levees failing. Man vs Nature. Man lost that one. In that way, it's a bit of a man made issue..the flooding is natural in normal or wet years. The problem is, humans have moved in now and nature won't change for us, or we aren't up to the battle with our engineering yet to keep certain areas dry. Easy to do in drought years..much harder in wet ones. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-storms- put-california-levees-test-96268162 Anyway--I know this is long-winded, but that map above- -I have had the same map (full version) hanging in my home office for over 30 yrs. I appreciate that there are others on this site who've not had that advantage. You do have a real point in reference to the pressure changes around dams and reservoirs, however. I know I'm keeping an eye on Isabella which does have a history of some minor seismic swarming during those kinds of pressure changes. In the past, it's responded with small micro and minor quakes. Haven't seen major quakes though..and I've been through many, very wet years here. I'm more concerned with the levees near the delta which seem to be the more immediate threat. I have the advantage of having lived a long life and seeing many, many wet years in California (as well as droughts and dry years), so I can see it from that perspective. I'm happy to share what I know. |
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96594
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: The great central valley flood of 1861-2 (calif history)
URL: https://www.sfchronicle.com/oursf/article/How-bad-was-California-s-Great-Flood-of-17711100.php
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(above photo: "The Great California Flood of 1861-1862 was a series of four floods from December 9, 1861 to January 17, 1862. The winter rains started early in November and continued nearly uninterrupted for four months. Marysville and Sacramento suffered the worst damage in the Northern California valley. This scene shows the floodwaters in January 1862 along K Street looking west from 4th Street in Sacramento. Unknown / California State Library") ******** A little deep history on California, especially central valley flooding in the past: ********* How bad was California’s ‘Great Flood’ of 1862? It was a torrent of horrors By Peter Hartlaub | San Francisco Chronicle Jan. 11, 2023Updated: Jan. 11, 2023 9:10 p.m. Stockton officials on Jan. 11, 1862, received a telegram from high in the Sierra Nevada, with each word more alarming than the last. “It rains like fury. Hell is afloat. Look out for water!” The line went dead after that. But residents of the Central Valley city didn’t have long to panic. By the next morning, the San Joaquin River had risen several feet and broken levees, turning Stockton into a city of canals, not streets. The Great Flood of 1862, seemingly lost in time, is the answer to the question: What was the most destructive flood in California history? Even as flood waters rise throughout the state in January 2023 and President Joe Biden declared a state of emergency on Monday, the event has created only a fraction of the impact of the 19th century deluge. News reports from the time describe a surreal scene: Entire towns were destroyed, and farmland and plains turned into lakes as far as the eye could see. Almost everyone in the state was impacted by the flood, from victims who lost their homes to state employees who, in the chaos and confusion, didn’t get paid for more than a year. There was no breaking news coverage in The Chronicle; the newspaper didn’t exist until three years after the disaster. But coverage from the Daily Alta and Marysville Appeal, along with retrospectives in The Chronicle, paint a detailed picture. San Francisco began flooding in December 1861, when steady rains drenched the city. The first week of January dumped 12 more inches of rain in S.F., and one local newspaper made Biblical comparisons. “The Storm King reigns rampant in our vicinity, and his rain comes in such plentitudinous dispensations as to invite comparison between our present excess and the celebrated flood which dates from the great forty days’ storm of old,” the Daily Alta reported. Citizens watched Market Street become a river, as Mission Creek overflowed into Brannan Street, and basements on the lower elevations of Nob Hill filled with 10 feet of water. But city residents quickly realized they had it relatively good, as reports arrived from the rest of California. The unusually warm atmospheric river dumped water while also melting snow, giving Central Valley and Sierra foothills towns a double whammy. The mining town of Red Dog in Nevada County received 11 inches of rain in a 48-hour period ending Jan. 11, 1862, and more than 190 inches between July 1, 1861 and June 30, 1862. Sacramento levees broke on Jan. 9, 1862, sending several feet of water into city streets. More than two feet of water swirled through the state capitol, and drenched cash reserves in the basement treasury. Newspapers reported some Sacramento-area houses built near rising rivers were set adrift, with lamp lights on the second floor indicating residents were still inside. Governor Leland Stanford reportedly traveled the six blocks from the governor’s mansion to the State Capitol building by rowboat for his Jan. 10, 1862, inauguration ceremony. Rural areas were hit the hardest. The Marysville Appeal reported citizens climbing up on the highest structure — a church steeple — and realizing they were surrounded by a lake. “From the spire of the Presbyterian church the water could be seen reaching 12 miles westward to the Buttes (and) three miles eastward to the rising land connected with the foothills,” the Appeal reported. Newspapers later reported that the “lake” of yellow rippling water stretched 20 miles wide and 250 miles long. As the storms waned later that week, San Franciscans sent 50 tons of food and clothing to Sacramento on two riverboat steamships. They reported seeing centuries- old oak trees with trunks 10 feet in diameter uprooted and floating in the river. Cattle, sometimes as many as a dozen, were seen floating on piles of driftwood. The American River seemed to do the most damage. Near Folsom, it was reportedly 60 feet above its low water level. “Sacramentans, huddled in trees, on high ground, on rooftops, looked upon a city that had been fantastically transformed into a sort of frontier Venice,” The Chronicle would report on the 50th anniversary. With the state government under water, the damage wouldn’t be tallied for years. The state moved legislative sessions to San Francisco for the rest of the session. Officials would later estimate that more than 4,000 Californians — 1% of the state’s population — were killed in the flood. A quarter of the state’s cattle drowned. And there was more than $100 million in damage; the equivalent of several billion in 2023 dollars. For nearly a century, the Great Flood was referenced frequently, equal to the 1906 earthquake and fire in terms of California natural disaster lore. But now it’s mostly a footnote, brought up as a benchmark whenever new statewide flooding emergencies arrive. Historic record suggests the Great Flood of 1862 deserves more respect. Perhaps the eeriest report came in a late January edition of the Daily Alta, where a passenger aboard the riverboat Chrysopolis, heading from Sutterville (just south of Sacramento)to Benicia, reported seeing no dry land, except the mountains in the distance. “On both sides of the river as far as the eye could reach was a wide sea of muddy water, intersected here and there by clumps of bushes, lines of fences, lines of treetops, or backs of cattle peeping up through the flood.” An earlier version of this story misstated the name of a newspaper that reported on the 1862 flood. It was the Marysville Appeal. |
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96582
From: DC, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Consider the FACT that CA is WAY OVER DUE for a Big ONE!
URL: https://michaeldfortner.com/people-who-mocked-god-have-died/
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I know you are an atheist, so that is why you SCORN at any prophetic message from a Holy God. Do you really think Californication can escape judgment from a just and Holy God? "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, unless He revealeth His secret (WARNS) unto His servants the prophets." Amos 3:7 God is Warning HIS People. God ALWAYS warns HIS people before disaster/judgment strikes. Many people that mock God have died untimely deaths. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalm 14 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalms 1:1 - 1:6 Isaiah 57: 20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. 21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked. And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord GOD;) Ezekiel 16:23 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Luke 6:25 I fear for you. You should not have mocked God. Many people that mock God have died untimely deaths. |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Consider the FACT that CA is WAY OVER DUE for a Big ONE!
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sorry, no I'm not an atheist. God and I are on good terms. He hasn't mentioned you at all yet. Just for the record. Your post belongs on the bible board or dreams/prophecy, or wowows not a science board. Feel free to check with bopp. |
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96579
From: DC, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Torrential Rains Trigger Flash Floods Across California
URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/torrential-rains-trigger-flash-floods-across-california
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Torrential Rains Trigger Flash Floods Across California More is coming.... See the link.... |
96581
From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: zerohedge: bulgarian CT/pseudo sci/low cred site
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CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy- Pseudoscience sources. Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. Detailed Report Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE Factual Reporting: LOW Country: Bulgaria Press Freedom Rating: LIMITED FREEDOM Media Type: Website Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILIT |
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From: DC, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Redhart: Who are YOU??? A Teenager?? An Elementary School kid??
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Redhart: Who are YOU??? A Teenager?? An Elementary School kid?? A toddler?? You have to go seek out SOMEONE Else's Opinion about a News Article??? YOU CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELF??? Are YOU unable to THINK Critically.....Yourself??? Yet you EXPECT to be the LAST WORD, the "noted Authority" on this website, and yet you are UNABLE TO THINK FOR YOURSELF. Very Sad. Question: The article said it has been raining like cats and dogs.....and even worse in California. I ask you to THINK CRITICALLY now, think for yourself. Don't listen to anyone, else. Just EXACTLY WHAT has been going on California in recent weeks? A drought? A dry spell? What? You tell me? You can't even look out your window and OBSERVE what is going on in California??? Yet you OBJECT to that article, which merely stated the obvious TRUTH, because someone else....some low life, low iq idiot, who lives in a trailer with a cat, they can't feed,.... told you to be very scared of this news article....which only stating that it has been RAINING VERY HARD since Christmas in California??? What planet are you on??? Or maybe I should ask: What drugs are you on??? If you can't contribute anything intelligent, it is best to just remain silent. Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak ...... and Remove All Doubt |
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From: Redhart, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Redhart: Who are YOU??? A Teenager?? An Elementary School kid??
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My goodness lol. Yeah, I live in california and have been a geology student in college, so know a few things on the subject, certainly not everything--but some of the "new info" presented is not new at all (ie: water can lubricate faults). Are you in California? What are your creds on the subject...besides sensationlized sources and you tube vids? The internet says so, therefore it's all true and its the end of the world? (btw, there's a board for that: TEOTWAWKI) The source review is to back up what I already know about your source (in other words, I'm not the only one that believes it's not a good one--and it's fact check record is there for all to see). It also councils caution to others who choose to read it. Me thinks you protest too much and don't like your post called out (who does?). Deal with it.. or not. Up to you, my view on it is not changed. I get a chance to weigh in like anyone else here. Have a great day..maybe get out in the world a bit, too..away from the doomscrolling. |
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From: mr bopp, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Re: Redhart: Who are YOU??? A Teenager?? An Elementary School kid??
| cool your jets dc... |
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From: BullySlayer, [DNS_Address]
Subject: Hey, Obnoxio...
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Take your own advice and STFU! NO DOUBT you're just trolling..."cruising for a bruising" (as it were). Baiting for a 'bite' so you can spew your venom. Toxic is as toxic does,'D'emon 'C'ult... Get over yourself! The sky is falling! LOL |
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